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> First and foremost, their statement about community on their homepage spoke to me This will probably get me downvoted to hell, but here goes anyway. You know
by GiorgioG 2y ago
> First and foremost, their statement about community on their homepage spoke to me
This will probably get me downvoted to hell, but here goes anyway. You know, sometimes I just want programming stuff to be about programming. If I want social justice I will go to the appropriate place. No I don't support Nazis or the like, but there's a shitload of other types of discrimination/injustices that I (and most others) also don't support, that we don't see plastered everywhere.
- mvdwoord 2y ago[flagged]
- graemep 2y ago[flagged]
- frizlab 2y agoFully agree
- arrowsmith 2y agoFWIW, it's not just the "community statement" - the creator of Gleam is very unshy about his politics. Just take a glance at his social media. He has every right to do so, obviously, and I'm not telling him to stop. But if you want a programming community that keeps its politics separate from work, Gleam is not for you.
- arresin 2y agoIt’s not for me.
- kubb 2y ago> This will probably get me downvoted to hell In my experience the people who get irked by public support for groups suffering from hate always have this persecution complex, like they're going to be subjected to the same treatment as the members of these groups that they don't like to see being defended. People have a platform, and they use it to show they views. Elon does nazi salutes, Louis says trans rights. They express what they believe in.
- theoreticalmal 2y agoInteresting, my experience is the opposite
- kubb 2y agoOpposite how? It's not clear what the opposite of what I expressed is.
- fortran77 2y agoThese groups still hate. It’s just that Gleam’s creator hates the same people you hate so you’re ok with that.
- kubb 2y agoIt could be but the political statement in question doesn't call for hate on anyone (not even nazis).
- felixgallo 2y agoThere is definitely not a symmetricality to this. Gleam's creator apparently wants all people to get along, and for fascists to go fuck themselves. There's no 'both sides' to Nazis, fella.
- fortran77 2y agoYes. But—-shockingly IMHO— ‘Nazi’ doesn’t mean what it used to.
- lenkite 2y ago[flagged]
- mmcromp 2y agoNot everything has to be for everyone. If you don't like the sentiment, then maybe it's not for you and that's ok.
- cardanome 2y agoI understand the idea of just focusing on the code and leaving politics aside. Sadly that is not how it works. Those statements are necessary so people know it is safe to engage with this community. So women know they are less likely to be openly harassed and demeaned. So trans people know they are allowed to exist in this community. So that black people know they will not be bombarded by racism. An yes you have to be proactive and drive out Nazis or they will take over your community over time. You can not tolerate those that show intolerance. Choosing to "not be political" means choosing to be inclusive to Nazis and to be dangerous for nearly everyone else.
- GiorgioG 2y ago> Choosing to "not be political" means choosing to be inclusive to Nazis and to be dangerous for nearly everyone else. That's a fucked up take. I guess because Gleam doesn't explicitly call out pedophiles, rapists, murderers, and other low-lifes that they must be inclusive of those folks too right? Gleam is so dangerous for everyone else as a result. /s
- arrowsmith 2y agoWhich programming communities don't allow trans people to exist, bombard black people with racism, or have been taken over by Nazis?