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Richard J Murphy coined the term "Age of Aggression" which we are now in (before we were in an "Age of Indifference" and before that "Age of Compassion"). A11y

Richard J Murphy coined the term "Age of Aggression" which we are now in (before we were in an "Age of Indifference" and before that "Age of Compassion"). A11y, good-faith DEI, equality/equity programs were conceived in the AoC and then started to get implemented in the AoI, but in the AoA it will be rolled back with extreme prejudice (at least in USA) with plethora unintended consequences as laid out by OP. While people gormlessly argue about the myth of meritocracy, there will come a certain point where only those who can't recognize (or actively dismiss/excuse) N*zi salutes will be the only ones conveniently not suspected of being "legacy DEI" hires. Relevant quote: “When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

jachee 2y ago
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- smashah 2y ago
  Yes they are literally doing that. I wouldn't usually censor it but I know not-shitting-on-DEI gets heavily downvoted/flagged on here so I thought I could avoid some of that mob. I failed in that regard so far it seems...
- ConspiracyFact 2y ago
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  - Timon3 2y ago
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    - Jensson 2y ago
      I've never seen a Nazi salute that didn't have a stiff upper body, he was just flailing around. At best you could call that a caricature of a Nazi salute, kinda like Springtime for Hitler.
      - Timon3 2y ago
        I won't go and find counter examples, because a) I disagree that he was just "flailing around" (you can literally see him tense up), and b) I disagree that the Nazi salute requires some specific level of upper body stiffness. There are plenty of videos where literally Hitler makes the same motions with a similar posture. He still hasn't even denied it, has he?
        Jensson 2y ago
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        Timon3 2y ago
        > You want it to be a Nazi salute, that is all I hear. That's fine with me, but you should be aware that you're breaking the site guidelines in doing so: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." > Why should he deny it when he is obviously not a Nazi? Why would it matter whether he is a Nazi, when the question is whether he did a Nazi salute? You and I aren't Nazis, yet we could both do a Nazi salute right now. I also reject your premise that he's "obviously not a Nazi" - you'd have a great point if he didn't agree with Nazi talking points[0], and didn't give both platform and reach to Nazis, and so many other Nazi-adjacent fauxpas over the last months. But that's not relevant to the discussion, so let's not retread those grounds, okay? [0]: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299
        Jensson 2y ago
        > That's fine with me, but you should be aware that you're breaking the site guidelines in doing so: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." I can't find any other reason why you think a Nazi salute is that sloppy, as otherwise you see people do Nazi salutes all the time. Nazi salutes are illegal in parts of the world, if you are going to prosecute someone for it then it needs to be way clearer marked than what he did. If he combined it with "Heil Hitler", or did it with a stiff upper body and/or left the arm staying in final position for a few seconds like fascists liked, then sure, but he did neither of those things. Why else would people want to call that a Nazi salute when it is so far from the real thing? It is such a strong accusation to make, and similar motions are so easy and common that you should assume innocence's here unless it is extremely clear.
    - ConspiracyFact 2y ago
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    - ConspiracyFact 2y ago
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhyrpXcaIAAVs3W?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhyrpXcaIAAVs3W?format=jpg&name=...
      - Timon3 2y ago
        I think you know that it's not about one still photo, but about the whole gesture. In case you're acting in good faith and didn't know: it's about the whole gesture. If you want to argue that politicians have made the same gesture, you need to provide videos showing the whole gesture.
        ConspiracyFact 2y ago
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        Timon3 2y ago
        If you don't mind me asking: what do you hope to achieve with your approach to discussion? You're throwing around insults, bad faith replies and fallacies left and right. No matter what your motivations are, you would convince more people if you responded in a respectful and intellectually curious way. So why do you choose this approach on this site?
        ConspiracyFact 2y ago
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    - dang 2y ago
      "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - Timon3 2y ago
        You're right, sorry.
  - dang 2y ago
    You broke the site guidelines very badly with this comment and other comments you posted to this thread. Could you please not do that? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- swat535 2y ago
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  - Timon3 2y ago
    Maybe I'm unaware of previous comments, but this user neither called Musk a Zionist nor an "anti-Jewish Nazi", so why ask him to answer for other people?
  - freejazz 2y ago
    So Elon isn't a nazi because other people said other things? That's not a great argument. It skips all relevant substance to just rely on the assessment of one group of people, for no apparent reason aside from their disagreement with the present argument.
  - computerthings 2y ago
    > I see people posting that Elon was at Auschwitz this time last year - therefore, his recent "gesture" is not antisemitic. I was there, too. With Elon, I am embarrassed that I have photos of this on my phone. My love, Gidon Lev, was the "special guest" of this photo-op event. We thought, at the time, that it would be good publicity. But I would not share the photo today. I chatted with Elon Musk. I spent hours with him and walked with him through Auschwitz. I stood with him, looking at the nauseating heaps of hair, luggage, and shoes flooded with violet light meant to preserve it. > Is Musk an antisemite? People, actually, it's worse - he doesn't care whatsoever. Elon, father of "little X" as he described his freezing cold son to me, literally does not care. He was unmoved by the experience. For Gidon, to be in the place where is father, Ernst, died on a death march - whether shot by the side of the road or having simply collapsed - was a huge deal. Elon did not care. He was about his press junket and his bodyguards. I was ten feet from him as he posed for the cameras of his entourage. He was utterly detached. He cared about how he looked. When he placed a wreath at Auschwitz and Gideon was overlooked, he walked away with the cameras whirring. This is Elon Musk. A sociopath, if there ever was one. To deduce, from this visit, that he is a friend of the Jews is desperately naive. -- Julie Gray

jachee 2y ago

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smashah 2y ago
Yes they are literally doing that. I wouldn't usually censor it but I know not-shitting-on-DEI gets heavily downvoted/flagged on here so I thought I could avoid some of that mob. I failed in that regard so far it seems...
ConspiracyFact 2y ago
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- Timon3 2y ago
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  - Jensson 2y ago
    I've never seen a Nazi salute that didn't have a stiff upper body, he was just flailing around. At best you could call that a caricature of a Nazi salute, kinda like Springtime for Hitler.
    - Timon3 2y ago
      I won't go and find counter examples, because a) I disagree that he was just "flailing around" (you can literally see him tense up), and b) I disagree that the Nazi salute requires some specific level of upper body stiffness. There are plenty of videos where literally Hitler makes the same motions with a similar posture. He still hasn't even denied it, has he?
      - Jensson 2y ago
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        Timon3 2y ago
        > You want it to be a Nazi salute, that is all I hear. That's fine with me, but you should be aware that you're breaking the site guidelines in doing so: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." > Why should he deny it when he is obviously not a Nazi? Why would it matter whether he is a Nazi, when the question is whether he did a Nazi salute? You and I aren't Nazis, yet we could both do a Nazi salute right now. I also reject your premise that he's "obviously not a Nazi" - you'd have a great point if he didn't agree with Nazi talking points[0], and didn't give both platform and reach to Nazis, and so many other Nazi-adjacent fauxpas over the last months. But that's not relevant to the discussion, so let's not retread those grounds, okay? [0]: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299
        Jensson 2y ago
        > That's fine with me, but you should be aware that you're breaking the site guidelines in doing so: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." I can't find any other reason why you think a Nazi salute is that sloppy, as otherwise you see people do Nazi salutes all the time. Nazi salutes are illegal in parts of the world, if you are going to prosecute someone for it then it needs to be way clearer marked than what he did. If he combined it with "Heil Hitler", or did it with a stiff upper body and/or left the arm staying in final position for a few seconds like fascists liked, then sure, but he did neither of those things. Why else would people want to call that a Nazi salute when it is so far from the real thing? It is such a strong accusation to make, and similar motions are so easy and common that you should assume innocence's here unless it is extremely clear.
  - ConspiracyFact 2y ago
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  - ConspiracyFact 2y ago
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhyrpXcaIAAVs3W?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhyrpXcaIAAVs3W?format=jpg&name=...
    - Timon3 2y ago
      I think you know that it's not about one still photo, but about the whole gesture. In case you're acting in good faith and didn't know: it's about the whole gesture. If you want to argue that politicians have made the same gesture, you need to provide videos showing the whole gesture.
      - ConspiracyFact 2y ago
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        Timon3 2y ago
        If you don't mind me asking: what do you hope to achieve with your approach to discussion? You're throwing around insults, bad faith replies and fallacies left and right. No matter what your motivations are, you would convince more people if you responded in a respectful and intellectually curious way. So why do you choose this approach on this site?
        ConspiracyFact 2y ago
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  - dang 2y ago
    "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - Timon3 2y ago
      You're right, sorry.
- dang 2y ago
  You broke the site guidelines very badly with this comment and other comments you posted to this thread. Could you please not do that? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
swat535 2y ago
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- Timon3 2y ago
  Maybe I'm unaware of previous comments, but this user neither called Musk a Zionist nor an "anti-Jewish Nazi", so why ask him to answer for other people?
- freejazz 2y ago
  So Elon isn't a nazi because other people said other things? That's not a great argument. It skips all relevant substance to just rely on the assessment of one group of people, for no apparent reason aside from their disagreement with the present argument.
- computerthings 2y ago
  > I see people posting that Elon was at Auschwitz this time last year - therefore, his recent "gesture" is not antisemitic. I was there, too. With Elon, I am embarrassed that I have photos of this on my phone. My love, Gidon Lev, was the "special guest" of this photo-op event. We thought, at the time, that it would be good publicity. But I would not share the photo today. I chatted with Elon Musk. I spent hours with him and walked with him through Auschwitz. I stood with him, looking at the nauseating heaps of hair, luggage, and shoes flooded with violet light meant to preserve it. > Is Musk an antisemite? People, actually, it's worse - he doesn't care whatsoever. Elon, father of "little X" as he described his freezing cold son to me, literally does not care. He was unmoved by the experience. For Gidon, to be in the place where is father, Ernst, died on a death march - whether shot by the side of the road or having simply collapsed - was a huge deal. Elon did not care. He was about his press junket and his bodyguards. I was ten feet from him as he posed for the cameras of his entourage. He was utterly detached. He cared about how he looked. When he placed a wreath at Auschwitz and Gideon was overlooked, he walked away with the cameras whirring. This is Elon Musk. A sociopath, if there ever was one. To deduce, from this visit, that he is a friend of the Jews is desperately naive. -- Julie Gray