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It's hilarious but sad to watch Americans learn things that agencies abroad already know. The other example of this I saw today was that in NYC the congestion p
by jeffbee 2y ago
It's hilarious but sad to watch Americans learn things that agencies abroad already know. The other example of this I saw today was that in NYC the congestion pricing has "surprisingly" slashed the number of car crashes and injuries in Manhattan. Like, duh.
- readdit 2y agoI feel this is positive news moving in a positive direction. Do you suggest not doing anything to improve the situation? We can’t go back in time. But we can help ourselves in the future.
- ninetyninenine 2y agoI feel this improvement is negligible. I doubt you'll see any meaningful change in your lifetime. At best you'll see an electric car renaissance. But the infra for trains and public transit? Doubtful.
- readdit 2y agoIt’s still a positive change an I’m all for it.
- ninetyninenine 2y agoI'm all for positive change too. But as someone who isn't delusional, I have to account for practicality rather then dreaming about an unrealistic future.
- dhosek 2y agoI think it’s more that Americans seem to be surprised by things that people in other countries have known for decades. Meanwhile, the current administration is trying to send us back to the 19th century in civil rights, healthcare and energy policy.
- tifik 2y agoOf course its positive news. Of fourse we cant go back in time. Its still good fun to poke at US for being so late on these discoveries.
- lmm 2y agoOne way to help yourselves in the future would be to learn the meta-lesson that actually things that work in other countries mostly work the same way in the US too.
- brookst 2y agoOh, we all know. It’s just convenient to pretend otherwise sometimes.
- dylan604 2y agoSome people take your word for it, but some people just have to touch the stove to learn that it is hot.
- saagarjha 2y agoThe US has been pressing its palm against the grill for a while now.
- Nemo_bis 2y agoYes this whole thread is so depressing. Most commenters here are talking as if electric trains were an oddity. It's like listening to people questioning the benefit of running water over the old school walk to the well.
- londons_explore 2y agoI dunno... Many trains in London still don't do regenerative braking despite the technology to generate electricity from motion being around for... checks notes... 194 years!
- benmanns 2y agoYou probably know more about this than me, but it looks like some lines do: https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-2080-2021 https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-informa... Regenerative braking in cars also keeps a lot of brake dust out of the air. A pair of brake pads lasts about as long as the life of an EV.
- Dylan16807 2y ago> You probably know more about this than me, but it looks like some lines do I'm confused. Your phrasing suggests that you're adding in new and potentially conflicting information, but "many don't" and "some do" mean the same thing.
- londons_explore 2y agoThe missing piece of info here is that while most of the trains have the capability to do regen braking, it is generally ineffective because it can only be used if another train on the same section of track happens to also be accelerating at the same time. That happens rarely enough that most of the trains, most of the time, do not effectively regen, and instead use mechanical or resistive braking.
- jeffbee 2y agoThere was chatter 20-30 years ago about using flywheels to bank the energy until needed.
- xnx 2y agoDo trains need batteries for regenerative braking, or is it sent right back on the same power lines?
- IncreasePosts 2y agoI don't see why it couldn't be surprising - if there are fewer cars in Manhattan, it could mean the cars will have a higher average speed, meaning they might be more likely to get into an accident.
- cameldrv 2y agoMy experience in Manhattan is that when it gets really congested, it turns into a giant game of chicken with everyone jockeying for position. This has got to lead to a lot of accidents (although probably mostly fairly minor)
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- astrange 2y ago"Surprisingly" is an opinion on the part of whoever wrote that, but it's not a surprise to any of the advocates. It has been working better than expected, possibly because the bad drivers were breaking a lot of other traffic laws and this one's easier to enforce so is actually keeping them away.
- AskTheJQ 2y ago[dead]
- MattGaiser 2y ago> The other example of this I saw today was that in NYC the congestion pricing has "surprisingly" slashed the number of car crashes and injuries in Manhattan. Like, duh. You didn't see the online crowds screaming up and down that it wouldn't do anything but pick the pockets of people? Many genuinely did not believe things would change.
- dylan604 2y agoHow do you get the choir to sing? You preach to the choir. When the needle is moving in the right direction, publicize that so everyone knows about it. That public info makes it harder if someone then comes around and suggests undoing/defunding or any other type of thing that stop the needle or make the needle move in the opposite direction. Keeping the info quiet makes yanking the plug very easy