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Personally I consider the fact that my DIY thermostat has no buttons to change the temperature a feature, but lots of people have varying feelings on who's allo

Personally I consider the fact that my DIY thermostat has no buttons to change the temperature a feature, but lots of people have varying feelings on who's allowed to be adjusting the thermostat and it's good to have options :)

iforgotpassword 2y ago
At least in the guest room I think you might want that, people have widely varying preferences for sleep temp, but I feel similar about the other rooms. This is why the "reset on no motion" was important to me, so my mom won't turn up the heat in the living room at 10pm and then the next morning I discover my living room has turned into a sauna. ;) I might have to add that our house is really old and has shitty insulation, so having a schedule that lowers the temp at night or when at work is also important. Keeping the temp up at acceptable levels 24/7 would be rather expensive. So when you unexpectedly are at home during those down times it's nice to be able to adjust directly at the TRV. I'm still thinking about whether I want to automate this more via motion, but since heating is not instant like turning on or off lights, you don't want to toggle the trv all the time as you enter or leave rooms...
ryandrake 2y ago
It doesn't help that half of the population seemingly doesn't understand how to use a thermostat. More than one person in my family treats it like an on-off switch. When they feel hot, they turn it down to the lowest temperature, and when they feel cold, they turn it up to the hottest temperature, and basically repeat this all day. No amount of explanation helps, about how you're just supposed to pick a comfortable temperature and it will maintain it.
- Gooblebrai 2y ago
  Isn't the problem that "comfortable temperature" is personal and circumstantial?
  - echoangle 2y ago
    Sure, but then you should still try to set you current (estimated) comfortable temperature as the target. If it's 23°C and you feel warm, you should set it to 20°C for example and not do 0°C just to get the heating to turn off.
  - progbits 2y ago
    Set it few degrees lower than average preference. Put on socks or hoodie when cold, take them off when hot. Instant regulation, efficient energy usage.
  - orev 2y ago
    Generally the problem in this situation is that the person wants a different temperature now, and they think that setting a higher number will make it get there faster.
    - jp191919 2y ago
      It can make it get there faster depending on how many stages of heating/cooling you have. Problem we have at work is people that are cold temporarily adjusting the heating setpoint too high (above the cooling setpoint), now when it goes back to normal operation after the override expires, the temp of the space is above the cooling setpoint, so the cooling turns on. And now people are wondering why it's in cooling in the winter. But I agree that's not the desired operation.
      - AnthonBerg 2y ago
        Perhaps we humans are not seeking corporeal warmth but spiritual warmth through a dialogue with the machine.
- connicpu 2y ago
  One of the nice things you can actually solve with a thermostat on your LAN! I have a button for "Just run the heat/ac for 30 minutes because I'm hot/cold in the moment", without changing the actual set point.
- petee 2y ago
  Un-wire it and hide a second actual thermostat, then they can change it all they like since they'll never be content anyway
- wink 2y ago
  You're assuming that they all work the same. I've been living in an apartment for the last 15 years where it is indeed mostly on/off. 0-2 = nothing, 3 = in some rooms the radiator will be warm to the touch but not radiate, 4-5 = warm. It's not the end of the world, we generally have them off until we need to turn them on, and then it's not too warm, and after the winter they're off again for 9 months.
echoangle 2y ago
An ultra-smart thermostat could have buttons and temperature display but have a setting so it doesn't actually do anything. So people can feel like they are doing something and feel good, while still not messing up anything.
- connicpu 2y ago
  Haha, good idea for my next revision

iforgotpassword 2y ago

At least in the guest room I think you might want that, people have widely varying preferences for sleep temp, but I feel similar about the other rooms. This is why the "reset on no motion" was important to me, so my mom won't turn up the heat in the living room at 10pm and then the next morning I discover my living room has turned into a sauna. ;) I might have to add that our house is really old and has shitty insulation, so having a schedule that lowers the temp at night or when at work is also important. Keeping the temp up at acceptable levels 24/7 would be rather expensive. So when you unexpectedly are at home during those down times it's nice to be able to adjust directly at the TRV. I'm still thinking about whether I want to automate this more via motion, but since heating is not instant like turning on or off lights, you don't want to toggle the trv all the time as you enter or leave rooms...

ryandrake 2y ago

It doesn't help that half of the population seemingly doesn't understand how to use a thermostat. More than one person in my family treats it like an on-off switch. When they feel hot, they turn it down to the lowest temperature, and when they feel cold, they turn it up to the hottest temperature, and basically repeat this all day. No amount of explanation helps, about how you're just supposed to pick a comfortable temperature and it will maintain it.

Gooblebrai 2y ago
Isn't the problem that "comfortable temperature" is personal and circumstantial?
- echoangle 2y ago
  Sure, but then you should still try to set you current (estimated) comfortable temperature as the target. If it's 23°C and you feel warm, you should set it to 20°C for example and not do 0°C just to get the heating to turn off.
- progbits 2y ago
  Set it few degrees lower than average preference. Put on socks or hoodie when cold, take them off when hot. Instant regulation, efficient energy usage.
- orev 2y ago
  Generally the problem in this situation is that the person wants a different temperature now, and they think that setting a higher number will make it get there faster.
  - jp191919 2y ago
    It can make it get there faster depending on how many stages of heating/cooling you have. Problem we have at work is people that are cold temporarily adjusting the heating setpoint too high (above the cooling setpoint), now when it goes back to normal operation after the override expires, the temp of the space is above the cooling setpoint, so the cooling turns on. And now people are wondering why it's in cooling in the winter. But I agree that's not the desired operation.
    - AnthonBerg 2y ago
      Perhaps we humans are not seeking corporeal warmth but spiritual warmth through a dialogue with the machine.
connicpu 2y ago
One of the nice things you can actually solve with a thermostat on your LAN! I have a button for "Just run the heat/ac for 30 minutes because I'm hot/cold in the moment", without changing the actual set point.
petee 2y ago
Un-wire it and hide a second actual thermostat, then they can change it all they like since they'll never be content anyway
wink 2y ago
You're assuming that they all work the same. I've been living in an apartment for the last 15 years where it is indeed mostly on/off. 0-2 = nothing, 3 = in some rooms the radiator will be warm to the touch but not radiate, 4-5 = warm. It's not the end of the world, we generally have them off until we need to turn them on, and then it's not too warm, and after the winter they're off again for 9 months.

echoangle 2y ago

An ultra-smart thermostat could have buttons and temperature display but have a setting so it doesn't actually do anything. So people can feel like they are doing something and feel good, while still not messing up anything.

connicpu 2y ago
Haha, good idea for my next revision