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Maybe they should just remove the president's post altogether? Seriously, almost every one of recent SK presidents were convicted of something after they left t

Maybe they should just remove the president's post altogether? Seriously, almost every one of recent SK presidents were convicted of something after they left the post. How... why do such people regularly keep getting elected there, and why do they even bother to, since there is already an established pattern of criminal convictions, do they think they'll break it and get away with whatever they did?

tonyhart7 2y ago
yeah south korean president has wild track record given how advance south korea are like they almost turned into "north korea" dictatorship, thats seriously wild things are
- Hamuko 2y ago
  And haven't all of them been pardoned for all the wild shit they've done? I remember seeing Americans cheering when the president got impeached, going on about how "this is how you do it in a democracy", even though there's a pretty decent chance that the next guy or the guy after him will just pardon him.
yladiz 2y ago
If we assume that the country isn't going to become authoritarian and will have some form of democratic elections, if you get rid of the president's post, you need an equivalent person and the shift in responsibilities. If the system changed to not elect the leader directly, but indirectly like in Germany, it wouldn't just change the possibility of someone corrupt getting into power, just the way they get into power. With that in mind, what would you replace it with?
- boxed 2y ago
  Presidental systems with real power behind the president has only one success story: USA. And we'll see if it's still a success story after these four years. Meanwhile parliamentary systems have a much stronger track record imo.
unsupp0rted 2y ago
It's not just presidents. You can't go from receiving foreign aid from Ethiopia one day to being a glittering rich megalopolis the next day without a culture of corruption, nepotism, and selfishness sticking around for a few generations afterward. The good news is every year things improve by a huge %. Younger Koreans are more and more honest, reasonable, kind-hearted and selfless. Just give it another generation or two.
- randallsquared 2y ago
  > You can't go from receiving foreign aid from Ethiopia one day to being a glittering rich megalopolis the next day without a culture of corruption What? Corruption would be a drag on economic growth, not a boost to it...
  - Joker_vD 2y ago
    There has actually been quite a number of studies like Abstract: Several cross-country studies have found that corruption is detrimental to economic growth, but the findings are not universally robust. We utilize the economic freedom index to examine if corruption can facilitate growth by allowing entrepreneurs to avoid inefficient policies and regulations when economic freedom is limited. Using regression analysis, we find that corruption is growth enhancing when economic freedom is most limited but the beneficial impact of corruption decreases as economic freedom increases. Not all areas of economic freedom affect the corruption-growth relationship equally. In particular, we find that when we analyze individual areas of economic freedom the beneficial effect of corruption disappears most quickly when the size of government and the extent of regulation decrease. But whether they're valid or not, I can't say.
    - xeonmc 2y ago
      See: Middle East
  - unsupp0rted 2y ago
    Korea didn't become prosperous "because of" corruption and nepotism necessarily, but at least "in addition to". And now that it is prosperous and the rising tide has lifted all ships, it'll be a few more generations before they can largely clean up the corruption and nepotism that has been along for the ride.
lvl155 2y ago
It’s not political corruption but political theatre. SKorea is controlled by a few chaebols. They keep the gen pop “entertained” so they can do what they want behind the scene. The closest they got to the chaebol is when they sent the Samsung dude for a couple of years Escobar style. There’s a very famous footage of Ban Ki-moon, former UN secretary and someone universally celebrated, kowtowing to the most hated political figure in SKorea in Chun Do-Hwan. That’s how it goes in SKorea. It’s a miracle that their economy continues to flourish in spite of political turmoil and social malaise.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  That's a reductive take. Chaebols are very strong in Korea, but that undermines the relative strength of the (commissioned) Military and the Prosecutor's office in Korean society. Both of these organizations are very traditional and conservative in mindset, but also have extremely tight and cliquish behaviors, and will tend to rally around someone who is a member of the "in-group". And this is why Yoon has survived for so long, because significant portions of the political and quasi-civil society supported and would have enabled his attempted coup.
  - lvl155 2y ago
    That’s a reductive take.

tonyhart7 2y ago

yeah south korean president has wild track record given how advance south korea are like they almost turned into "north korea" dictatorship, thats seriously wild things are

Hamuko 2y ago
And haven't all of them been pardoned for all the wild shit they've done? I remember seeing Americans cheering when the president got impeached, going on about how "this is how you do it in a democracy", even though there's a pretty decent chance that the next guy or the guy after him will just pardon him.

yladiz 2y ago

If we assume that the country isn't going to become authoritarian and will have some form of democratic elections, if you get rid of the president's post, you need an equivalent person and the shift in responsibilities. If the system changed to not elect the leader directly, but indirectly like in Germany, it wouldn't just change the possibility of someone corrupt getting into power, just the way they get into power. With that in mind, what would you replace it with?

boxed 2y ago
Presidental systems with real power behind the president has only one success story: USA. And we'll see if it's still a success story after these four years. Meanwhile parliamentary systems have a much stronger track record imo.

unsupp0rted 2y ago

It's not just presidents. You can't go from receiving foreign aid from Ethiopia one day to being a glittering rich megalopolis the next day without a culture of corruption, nepotism, and selfishness sticking around for a few generations afterward. The good news is every year things improve by a huge %. Younger Koreans are more and more honest, reasonable, kind-hearted and selfless. Just give it another generation or two.

randallsquared 2y ago
> You can't go from receiving foreign aid from Ethiopia one day to being a glittering rich megalopolis the next day without a culture of corruption What? Corruption would be a drag on economic growth, not a boost to it...
- Joker_vD 2y ago
  There has actually been quite a number of studies like Abstract: Several cross-country studies have found that corruption is detrimental to economic growth, but the findings are not universally robust. We utilize the economic freedom index to examine if corruption can facilitate growth by allowing entrepreneurs to avoid inefficient policies and regulations when economic freedom is limited. Using regression analysis, we find that corruption is growth enhancing when economic freedom is most limited but the beneficial impact of corruption decreases as economic freedom increases. Not all areas of economic freedom affect the corruption-growth relationship equally. In particular, we find that when we analyze individual areas of economic freedom the beneficial effect of corruption disappears most quickly when the size of government and the extent of regulation decrease. But whether they're valid or not, I can't say.
  - xeonmc 2y ago
    See: Middle East
- unsupp0rted 2y ago
  Korea didn't become prosperous "because of" corruption and nepotism necessarily, but at least "in addition to". And now that it is prosperous and the rising tide has lifted all ships, it'll be a few more generations before they can largely clean up the corruption and nepotism that has been along for the ride.

lvl155 2y ago

It’s not political corruption but political theatre. SKorea is controlled by a few chaebols. They keep the gen pop “entertained” so they can do what they want behind the scene. The closest they got to the chaebol is when they sent the Samsung dude for a couple of years Escobar style. There’s a very famous footage of Ban Ki-moon, former UN secretary and someone universally celebrated, kowtowing to the most hated political figure in SKorea in Chun Do-Hwan. That’s how it goes in SKorea. It’s a miracle that their economy continues to flourish in spite of political turmoil and social malaise.

alephnerd 2y ago
That's a reductive take. Chaebols are very strong in Korea, but that undermines the relative strength of the (commissioned) Military and the Prosecutor's office in Korean society. Both of these organizations are very traditional and conservative in mindset, but also have extremely tight and cliquish behaviors, and will tend to rally around someone who is a member of the "in-group". And this is why Yoon has survived for so long, because significant portions of the political and quasi-civil society supported and would have enabled his attempted coup.
- lvl155 2y ago
  That’s a reductive take.