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Trae: AI Code Editor from ByteDance
- gman83 2y agoThe website doesn't seem to mention anywhere that it's from ByteDance? Also from the terms of service: "You hereby grant to us, our affiliates and our third party partners (“SPRING Parties”) an unconditional, irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, transferable, perpetual and worldwide license, to reproduce, use, and modify Your Content in connection with the provision and improvement of the Services and its underlying technologies, as well as for the SPRING Parties' respective business operations, in each case, to the extent permitted by applicable laws."
- codetrotter 2y agoFrom a news article I found: > The software is distributed by ByteDance's Singapore-based subsidiary Spring (SG) Pte, the company behind its Cici chatbot that launched in 2023. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/bytedance-launches-ai-code-editor-093000329.html https://www.yahoo.com/tech/bytedance-launches-ai-code-editor...
- Refusing23 2y agoONE place.. from their privacy policy (which i didn't read) > If you wish to contact the Data Protection Officer, please contact us: dpobrasil@bytedance.com.
- nikolayasdf123 2y agotheir T&C mentions them as "SPRING (SG) PTE. LTD" singapore business directory: https://www.sgpbusiness.com/company/Spring-Sg-Pte-Ltd https://www.sgpbusiness.com/company/Spring-Sg-Pte-Ltd hard to tell if they are indeed Bytedance. but given Bytedance and Tencent has HUGE Singapore HQ and notorious status of SG being a proxy for China, I would not be surprised if this is indeed Bytedance in disguise
- internetter 2y agohttps://amp.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3295644/bytedance-launches-ai-code-editor-based-microsoft-software-tiktok-ban-delayed https://amp.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3295644/bytedance...
- puppymaster 2y agoeven their CEO from Singapore is a puppet hire. The one that went to all the senate hearing is not the one calling all the shots. He was hired just so bytedance can keep playing the soundbite 'our ceo is not from china'.
- Oras 2y agoTikTok is a product of ByteDance, I think you're mixing both.
- gandalfthepink 2y agoI went on to read to the Terms and Conditions further and was relived to find no mention of "oH yeah! if you use it for longer than a month, you owe us your life and your kids will be forever indebted to the great emperor behind the wall."
- readyplayernull 2y agoAt this point in time T&Cs are a generic template that stretches into a closed bubble trying to defend against any legal action. There should be a "dontsuewecandowhatever" copyright-like legend and be done with the bs.
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- atombender 2y agoPosted yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42799540 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42799540 (228 points, 383 comments)
- agigao 2y agoNope, thanks.
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- nozzlegear 2y agoWe can be concerned about both.
- MiiMe19 2y agoOne uses my data for ads, the other has concentration camps, stamps out democracy, and oppresses both my religion and the religion of others. I wonder which one I am more concerned about.
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- DrScientist 2y agoYou appear to be confusing a company with a country. Not sure ByteDance specifically does all that. Now if you want to talk about the recent human rights records of the two countries concerned I think you'll find it's not all one way traffic.
- MiiMe19 2y agoWhen the company is required by law to turn over their data to the government without due process and to embody good socialist values, suddenly the difference between country and company is smaller. For your second point: US Muslims in concentration camps within the last 15 years: ~0 Chinese Muslims in concentration camps within the last 15 years: ~1,000,000 Completely ignoring the forced sterilizations of men and women and China removing any democratic opposition and imprisoning student protesters in Hong Kong. It may not be one way traffic, but there sure is a whole lot more going one way than the other.
- ligamential 2y agoOnly the OSX version available, with a waitlist for windows.
- Dinux 2y agoI don't see anything about source available, git repository links or opensource licensing. Why would I switch from a free and opensource IDE to a closed source IDE offering no benefits?
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- alenrozac 2y agoRemember, if it's free, you're the product. How common is this in privacy policies? > For security and privacy reasons, we request that you abstain from disclosing personal information, including passwords, credit card numbers, or other confidential data. Our commitment to safeguarding your privacy is unwavering, but the security of personal information also relies on safe user practices.
- aaomidi 2y agoIf not explicit, this is practically applicable to every ai chat bot out there with limited exceptions.
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- poisonborz 2y agoHowever true this is _here_, I really dislike this sentence, as it spills capitalist sentiment and distrust. How much are you the product when using Firefox (even if Mozilla gets ad revenue). How much are you the product with an OSS or community product, or a free tier for a reputable cloud offering?
- idle_zealot 2y agoExactly. The phrase is wrong in every sense. You're pointing out the common case where something is free and offered in good faith (a terrifying and confusing concept for the Free Market faithful). There is also the exceedingly common case of both paying for something and being screwed by whoever sold it to you. Eg buying a Windows license and getting ads in the start menu. The real lesson is: look at incentives/motivations. Are you transacting with a group that has power to unilaterally determine terms and reason to weigh them in their favor? They will.
- xeonmc 2y agoIn other words: “If it sounds too good to be true, it is.”
- chvid 2y agoIt is really good plus it allows you to use Claude 3.5 for free (probably until ByteDance implements their own model).
- danielbln 2y agoYeah, the privacy policy is dog shit, but it does work quite well (especially in builder mode).
- chvid 2y agoMy guess the TOS is because they want to train on user data. As people have noted Claude is not cheap and they are giving it away for free here.
- danielbln 2y agoSure, though it means I'll never use this for professional projects, but it's fun to dick around with it building my toy game.
- chvid 2y agoPersonally I don't think it is worse than what I routinely trust US big tech on. I expect Github/Microsoft to train on my use as well. Actually I think ByteDance is more trustworthy as more focus is on them.
- danielbln 2y agoOk, but in this setup I have to trust Anthropic (since the editor is using Claude on the backend) as well as Bytedance. No way to BYO API key. I get the incentives, but less reliance on remote services would be best.
- MassiveQuasar 2y agoWhy not use Cursor at that point ?
- lifestyleguru 2y agoI became unemployable sometime five years ago, throwing my CV into the abyss since then. This video alone almost gives me epilepsy with music and flickering. Is this how software development looks right now? Every code snipped including secrets goes to some remote server?
- donatj 2y agoRoughly, yes. I know a lot of developers who have leaned into using AI heavily in their workflow. I also know a handful of graybeards who refuse on either moral grounds or general distrust. The output of the prior group though is undeniably, and I really think one is going to have to learn the tools to stay competitive.
- blagie 2y agoThe distrust is well-warranted, but the solution is unclear. You can't fight the invisible hand of the free market. Without AI, you're obsolete now. With AI, humanity is obsolete soon.
- jgaa 2y agoI use a dedicated PC with Ubuntu for the kind of AI assisted development where the AI's has access to the disk. The only secrets it has are the API key to the AI, a temporary ssh key that can be used with git to access the github repository, and whatever the Brave browser stores for ChatGPT's website. Nothing else. No production keys, no CI keys no code signing keys. Kind of the same restrictions I use on anything running Microsoft Windows.
- danielbln 2y agoSlightly off-topic, but you really shouldn't have any secrets in your code (assuming you mean secrets as in credentials, not as in trade secrets).
- lifestyleguru 2y agoThe file(s) with credentials are still somewhere out there, so you never open and edit them with the IDE?
- cess11 2y agoSending proprietary code through TikTok to a US corporation seems like a hard sell. Who would do this?
- jscheel 2y agoI believe the lead of this at ByteDance said that Trae is only focused on go and js/ts right now.
- bearjaws 2y agoBeen watching too much Primeagen.
- donatj 2y agoDoes it do anything that VSCode with Copilot doesn't?
- loloquwowndueo 2y agoSend your code to China.
- lm28469 2y agoBut at least it doesn't send it to the US
- loloquwowndueo 2y agoWell what’s the saying? If you love your code, set it free? :)
- flir 2y agoAnd if it comes back..... throw it harder.
- danielbln 2y agoWell, their backend is using Claude, so with this editor you're sending it to both, the US and China.
- d_503 2y agoI'd send code to the US, rather than China.
- whamlastxmas 2y agoI’d rather it go to the country with no power to prosecute and imprison me.
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- ahartmetz 2y agoThat is like "New operating system!" (actually 99% a copy of Debian with a different name)
- mark_l_watson 2y agoI worry about privacy issues for all LLM systems that are not running on my own computer (I use Ollama, but there are many other fine tools to use). That said, I have been using Trae to design, code, and debug programming examples for a new book I am writing. I also use Grok, Meta’s models, Claude, and OpenAI for design, coding, and trouble shooting problems. For ideological reasons I start work with local models on Ollama, but as needed I will use everything available, if needed.
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- robd003 2y agoTrae: The fastest way for the Chinese to siphon up everyone else's intellectual property.