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@dang can we have guidelines against posting AI generated content here? (who cares if the account is "human operated" or has a disclaimer). It's just lame and

• throwaway314155 2y ago
  It's absurd to me that simply because it's Karpathy's account, everyone immediately changes their tune about posting "slop" AI summaries; something which is normally downvoted into oblivion on this site. People go even further to downvote any criticism?? Pick a lane people. This will be business as usual in a week and Operator posts will go back to being thoroughly downvoted by then too.
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  • axus 2y ago
    When the first person does it, it's hacking/testing. If lots of people do it, it's cargo-culting and riding coattails.
    • throwaway314155 2y ago
      i guess that's true.
    • lostmsu 2y ago
      I think the difference here is more nuanced
• dialup_sounds 2y ago
  As someone on my fifth or sixth HN account since it was called Startup News, I don't agree. Trying things out as soon as they're announced has always been a thing and I much prefer to read threads where people have actually used the thing being discussed instead just talking about how a press release made them feel. Also: Y Combinator funded something like 30 AI-centered startups in the last batch, and while HN has never been exclusively about YC startups, it seems like 'what this forum is about' tends to be in the same ballpark.
  • dragonwriter 2y ago
    > Trying things out as soon as they're announced has always been a thing and I much prefer to read threads where people have actually used the thing being discussed instead just talking about how a press release made them feel Reading comments by people who have used (in this threads case) Operator is different than reading comments written by Operator. You can have a preference for comments about use of the product that is the subject of a story without having a preference for comments written by the product that is the subject of a story.
• sumedh 2y ago
  How are you even going to moderate such content, how will the website operator even know if its real human or an AI agent controlling a computer?
  • dang 2y ago
    So far HN users seem to be doing a pretty job of flagging them. Of course, the big question is what to do if/when they're smart enough to fool everybody.
    • carbocation 2y ago
      Offer a Turing award to the bot-trainer?
      • saagarjha 2y ago
        Turns out Hacker News was actually the long play to train AGI.
    • thurn 2y ago
      hm, wouldn't you almost by definition think you were doing a good job of flagging them at any level of actual effectiveness?
      • dang 2y ago
        Not if I were seeing a bunch of them get through.
    • edouard-harris 2y ago
      By definition, in that limit they'll be genuinely adding to the discourse so presumably they should stay. Edit: More correctly, they'll be making contributions to the discourse that closely mimic the human distribution, so from a pure content perspective they won't be making the discourse any worse in the very short term.
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• dang 2y ago
  https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20%22generated%20comments%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20bots%20allow&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Edit: but karpathy's posts in this thread are fine - see my clarifying comment downthread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42816589 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42816589
  • smusamashah 2y ago
    That comment by karpathy was not made in bad faith. It's clearly an experiment done right here on HN so we can judge the tool ourselves.
    • dang 2y ago
      Oh I agree! I thought about saying that but decided it would be confusing, but I guess it was also confusing not to. What karpathy was doing is obviously in the spirit of the site [1], and HN has always been a spirit-of-the-law place, not a letter-of-the-law place [2]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20spirit%20letter%20law&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu....
  • karaterobot 2y ago
    Would you consider updating the guidelines to this effect?
    • dang 2y ago
      Yes, but I sort of feel like it's a corollary of the existing ones.
• wafflemaker 2y ago
  You literally get down voted to death for posting generated low quality answers. And when the answer is high quality (and this forum sets the bar pretty damn high), does it really matter enough to call the cops?
  • entropi 2y ago
    I don't come here to "consume high quality content". I come here to engage in discussions with often tech-oriented yet quite diverse set of people. The distinction I think is quite an important one. In my opinion Karpathy's generated answer was followed up by an insightful, actual comment so it is fine; as long as such things are the exception and not the rule.
• HDThoreaun 2y ago
  No