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> Immigration is used by both sides to depress American wages. The left pushes for illegal immigrants which drives down blue collar wages. The right pushes for

> Immigration is used by both sides to depress American wages. The left pushes for illegal immigrants which drives down blue collar wages. The right pushes for legal (but still exploitable) H1-Bs, etc. to drive down white collar wages. In both cases American workers suffer. I think you have that confused. Trump hotels had/have illegal immigrants working in them, Mitt Romney had an illegal immigrant as a maid, construction and agriculture industries are owned mostly by conservatives who make the most on employing illegal immigrants. That Republicans didn't even bother with illegal immigration before Trump was mainly due to self financial interest, whereas Democrat's interest is primarily humanitarian. Trump brought blue collar voters into the Republican party. That Trump has vowed to go after illegal immigrants in cities (blue collar competition) and leave rural areas alone (farm workers aren't a big voting block, but farmers that employ them are and vote very Republican) should be telling.

dinkumthinkum 2y ago
Why do you say the Democrat's interest is primarily humanitarian when Democrat operatives for years had been signaling how they thought they could grow a huge voter business and possibly never have Republican majorities or White House due to "undocumented workers"?
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  That's is what you call a bonafide conspiracy theory. "The democrats are trying to steal elections with illegal immigrant votes!" I'm not sure how to reply to that in a non-sarcastic way that would satisfy HN's guidelines.
- archagon 2y ago
  "Undocumented workers" can't vote. This shit was completely made up by the right.
  - dinkumthinkum 2y ago
    No, it's not that illegal aliens will actually vote. It's not a conspiracy as another poster put it. I have heard people like Chuck Rocha (democrat operative) talk about this on MSNBC before. It's not that they vote in the current election, it's that over a period of time if you do nothing to stop or deport them then you enact policies of amnesty and paths to citizenship or they have kids and over a 10-20 year period or so you hopefully get bulletproof majorities. This is not a conspiracy, I have heard democrats talk about this.

dinkumthinkum 2y ago

Why do you say the Democrat's interest is primarily humanitarian when Democrat operatives for years had been signaling how they thought they could grow a huge voter business and possibly never have Republican majorities or White House due to "undocumented workers"?

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
That's is what you call a bonafide conspiracy theory. "The democrats are trying to steal elections with illegal immigrant votes!" I'm not sure how to reply to that in a non-sarcastic way that would satisfy HN's guidelines.
archagon 2y ago
"Undocumented workers" can't vote. This shit was completely made up by the right.
- dinkumthinkum 2y ago
  No, it's not that illegal aliens will actually vote. It's not a conspiracy as another poster put it. I have heard people like Chuck Rocha (democrat operative) talk about this on MSNBC before. It's not that they vote in the current election, it's that over a period of time if you do nothing to stop or deport them then you enact policies of amnesty and paths to citizenship or they have kids and over a 10-20 year period or so you hopefully get bulletproof majorities. This is not a conspiracy, I have heard democrats talk about this.