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I'm interested in the downvotes. Do you disagree that undocumented people are working in many/most kitchens across the US? Does that fact just make you uncomfor

I'm interested in the downvotes. Do you disagree that undocumented people are working in many/most kitchens across the US? Does that fact just make you uncomfortable? Do you think that deporting them would suddenly cause a surge in qualified people to replace them (it won't)? Do you think that restaurants could handle this without issue? I have friends and family in the restaurant business so I'd love to hear other viewpoints but downvotes for what is a pretty solid fact just strikes me as odd.

ajaisbshskan 2y ago
There would be short term pain yes. This is an unfortunate consequence of parasitic leadership ruling for so long. However, pushing that can down the road does not make things better. Ideally we’d reclaim some of their unfathomable wealth to ease the pain. Immigration is used by both sides to depress American wages. The left pushes for illegal immigrants which drives down blue collar wages. The right pushes for legal (but still exploitable) H1-Bs, etc. to drive down white collar wages. In both cases American workers suffer. What is the point of country? As it operates today, America’s point is to increase the wealth gap between the rich (who hold US dollars but might not be citizens) and poor Americans. I believe it should be to decrease that gap. And no matter how you pitch it, mass immigration only depresses standard of living for locals (O1 von braun kind of immigrants are good, but they’re truly exceptional cases).
- mostlysimilar 2y ago
  > This is an unfortunate consequence of parasitic leadership ruling for so long. The new parasites will be far worse than the old ones, buddy. You're chatting on a forum full of software engineers. Nobody here has their wages depressed by immigrants. Our wages are getting depressed by offshoring, you think the new leaders will have anything to say about that? You think Musk, Bezos, and Zuckerberg are interested in paying their workers more?
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  > Immigration is used by both sides to depress American wages. The left pushes for illegal immigrants which drives down blue collar wages. The right pushes for legal (but still exploitable) H1-Bs, etc. to drive down white collar wages. In both cases American workers suffer. I think you have that confused. Trump hotels had/have illegal immigrants working in them, Mitt Romney had an illegal immigrant as a maid, construction and agriculture industries are owned mostly by conservatives who make the most on employing illegal immigrants. That Republicans didn't even bother with illegal immigration before Trump was mainly due to self financial interest, whereas Democrat's interest is primarily humanitarian. Trump brought blue collar voters into the Republican party. That Trump has vowed to go after illegal immigrants in cities (blue collar competition) and leave rural areas alone (farm workers aren't a big voting block, but farmers that employ them are and vote very Republican) should be telling.
  - dinkumthinkum 2y ago
    Why do you say the Democrat's interest is primarily humanitarian when Democrat operatives for years had been signaling how they thought they could grow a huge voter business and possibly never have Republican majorities or White House due to "undocumented workers"?
    - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
      That's is what you call a bonafide conspiracy theory. "The democrats are trying to steal elections with illegal immigrant votes!" I'm not sure how to reply to that in a non-sarcastic way that would satisfy HN's guidelines.
    - archagon 2y ago
      "Undocumented workers" can't vote. This shit was completely made up by the right.
      - dinkumthinkum 2y ago
        No, it's not that illegal aliens will actually vote. It's not a conspiracy as another poster put it. I have heard people like Chuck Rocha (democrat operative) talk about this on MSNBC before. It's not that they vote in the current election, it's that over a period of time if you do nothing to stop or deport them then you enact policies of amnesty and paths to citizenship or they have kids and over a 10-20 year period or so you hopefully get bulletproof majorities. This is not a conspiracy, I have heard democrats talk about this.
dinkumthinkum 2y ago
What percentage do you think it is? Are you really of the opinion that the economy or restaurant business will fall a part or the economy will fail because of a lack illegal immigrants? Doesn't that seem far fetched?

ajaisbshskan 2y ago

There would be short term pain yes. This is an unfortunate consequence of parasitic leadership ruling for so long. However, pushing that can down the road does not make things better. Ideally we’d reclaim some of their unfathomable wealth to ease the pain. Immigration is used by both sides to depress American wages. The left pushes for illegal immigrants which drives down blue collar wages. The right pushes for legal (but still exploitable) H1-Bs, etc. to drive down white collar wages. In both cases American workers suffer. What is the point of country? As it operates today, America’s point is to increase the wealth gap between the rich (who hold US dollars but might not be citizens) and poor Americans. I believe it should be to decrease that gap. And no matter how you pitch it, mass immigration only depresses standard of living for locals (O1 von braun kind of immigrants are good, but they’re truly exceptional cases).

mostlysimilar 2y ago
> This is an unfortunate consequence of parasitic leadership ruling for so long. The new parasites will be far worse than the old ones, buddy. You're chatting on a forum full of software engineers. Nobody here has their wages depressed by immigrants. Our wages are getting depressed by offshoring, you think the new leaders will have anything to say about that? You think Musk, Bezos, and Zuckerberg are interested in paying their workers more?
seanmcdirmid 2y ago
> Immigration is used by both sides to depress American wages. The left pushes for illegal immigrants which drives down blue collar wages. The right pushes for legal (but still exploitable) H1-Bs, etc. to drive down white collar wages. In both cases American workers suffer. I think you have that confused. Trump hotels had/have illegal immigrants working in them, Mitt Romney had an illegal immigrant as a maid, construction and agriculture industries are owned mostly by conservatives who make the most on employing illegal immigrants. That Republicans didn't even bother with illegal immigration before Trump was mainly due to self financial interest, whereas Democrat's interest is primarily humanitarian. Trump brought blue collar voters into the Republican party. That Trump has vowed to go after illegal immigrants in cities (blue collar competition) and leave rural areas alone (farm workers aren't a big voting block, but farmers that employ them are and vote very Republican) should be telling.
- dinkumthinkum 2y ago
  Why do you say the Democrat's interest is primarily humanitarian when Democrat operatives for years had been signaling how they thought they could grow a huge voter business and possibly never have Republican majorities or White House due to "undocumented workers"?
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    That's is what you call a bonafide conspiracy theory. "The democrats are trying to steal elections with illegal immigrant votes!" I'm not sure how to reply to that in a non-sarcastic way that would satisfy HN's guidelines.
  - archagon 2y ago
    "Undocumented workers" can't vote. This shit was completely made up by the right.
    - dinkumthinkum 2y ago
      No, it's not that illegal aliens will actually vote. It's not a conspiracy as another poster put it. I have heard people like Chuck Rocha (democrat operative) talk about this on MSNBC before. It's not that they vote in the current election, it's that over a period of time if you do nothing to stop or deport them then you enact policies of amnesty and paths to citizenship or they have kids and over a 10-20 year period or so you hopefully get bulletproof majorities. This is not a conspiracy, I have heard democrats talk about this.

dinkumthinkum 2y ago

What percentage do you think it is? Are you really of the opinion that the economy or restaurant business will fall a part or the economy will fail because of a lack illegal immigrants? Doesn't that seem far fetched?