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That's pretty much how my dreams work. For example, I can read in my dreams (like signs, books), but it's almost always one word at a time, and the rest of the

by sedatk 2y ago

That's pretty much how my dreams work. For example, I can read in my dreams (like signs, books), but it's almost always one word at a time, and the rest of the text becomes impossible to focus while I'm reading that word, no matter how hard I try. It's like the "permanence module" is disabled and my brain falls back to a primitive generative AI for the next frame. And, I can't reason about the logic of my experience, the lack of causality, or persistence of objects at the time. Everything feels "as they should be" despite how awkward things get. I guess that's why nightmares are so convincing or hard to get out of, because I can't reason about them. The whole article feels like describing a typical dream to me.

kqr 2y ago
> It's like the "permanance module" is disabled and my brain falls back to a primitive generative AI for the next frame. What if there is no such module and whenever you believe you have experienced permanence it is because your brain confabulated it from what it actually observed?
- sedatk 2y ago
  I'd still call that permanence module :) AFAIK, that the way our vision works is that our eyes only see a narrowly focused region in detail and the rest of our periphery is generated by our brain (based on what we saw there before). There are optical illusions based on that.
  - xeonmc 2y ago
    "Attention", perhaps?
    - lordnacho 2y ago
      All you need
      - TeMPOraL 2y ago
        Except for those times when you're facing off against creatures that can keep track of your saccades, as to move only during the brief moments your brain is ignoring input from your eyes.
        zhengyi13 2y ago
        I see you too like to read terrifying science fiction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight_(Watts_novel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight_(Watts_novel) for those who need new stuff in their TBR list.
  - diggan 2y ago
    > AFAIK, that the way our vision works is that our eyes only see a narrowly focused region in detail and the rest of our periphery is generated by our brain (based on what we saw there before). I know it's a over-simplification, but maybe too much of it? 100% of your periphery isn't "generated" by your brain based only on what you've seen before, otherwise it wouldn't be possible to see stuff "at the corner of your eyes" or "looking while not looking" where you can see stuff without actually focusing straight on on the thing itself.
    - sedatk 2y ago
      You're right, there is a peripheral sensory mechanism involved that generates a rough rendering, but the details are filled in by our brain.
EZ-E 2y ago
> I can read in my dreams (like signs, books), but it's almost always one word at a time, and the rest of the text becomes impossible to focus while I'm reading that word, no matter how hard I try. It's like the "permanence module" is disabled Techniques for lucid dreaming rely on this fact for you to be able to "detect" that you are in a dream. There is one where you need to look at time, look away and look again. The time will change or be in an impossible format if you're dreaming. Then if you're aware you're dreaming you can start to "control" the dream.
- lucidlucia 2y ago
  Funny enough, I never really needed these tricks. Or I guess, I do have one? It's when I realize the events are scripted. I don't know why, but many of my dreams are perfectly sensical and linear, and sometimes I notice and hijack them. What I can do with them tho, depends on how close I am to waking up. Saddest one was when I realized I was walking my dead dog. She was actually exhibiting behaviors I know she had been used to have, but not ones I had consciously remembered much when thinking about her after her death. I lingered on that one a bit. Still, dreams are dreams, and there was some weirdness, and I knew them for what they were. But that time, I did not fight the script.
  - thedanbob 2y ago
    > It's when I realize the events are scripted. > But that time, I did not fight the script. That's a good way of putting it. In the past when I realized I was dreaming, I would take advantage of the situation and change things, give myself superpowers, etc. But in recent years my few lucid dreams have had really interesting plots, so I consciously chose to let things be and just see where they go.
  - sedatk 2y ago
    > I was walking my dead dog I can relate. I saw my dead dog several times in my dream, and in the dream, it felt like she was never dead in the first place, not like I reunited with her, but it was just another of those regular days with her. So, even though I enjoyed the dream, I didn't have that euphoric joy of reuniting with her. I perceive everything as 100% absolute truth and only realize what's wrong after I wake up.
HappMacDonald 2y ago
My experience with nightmares has largely been that a part of my subconscious is trying to conduct the dream in an "exciting" direction, to engender thrill on a par with a carnival ride .. but then it slips or gets out of hand and turns into a spiral of self-fulfilling terror instead. I feel like ruminating on that process some during waking time has helped my dream producing instincts to instead steer away from unnecessary sources of fear often before I even perceive (during the dream) that things might have been about to get scary (though I'm often able to assess that pattern after the fact).
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by sedatk 2y ago

kqr 2y ago

> It's like the "permanance module" is disabled and my brain falls back to a primitive generative AI for the next frame. What if there is no such module and whenever you believe you have experienced permanence it is because your brain confabulated it from what it actually observed?

sedatk 2y ago
I'd still call that permanence module :) AFAIK, that the way our vision works is that our eyes only see a narrowly focused region in detail and the rest of our periphery is generated by our brain (based on what we saw there before). There are optical illusions based on that.
- xeonmc 2y ago
  "Attention", perhaps?
  - lordnacho 2y ago
    All you need
    - TeMPOraL 2y ago
      Except for those times when you're facing off against creatures that can keep track of your saccades, as to move only during the brief moments your brain is ignoring input from your eyes.
      - zhengyi13 2y ago
        I see you too like to read terrifying science fiction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight_(Watts_novel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight_(Watts_novel) for those who need new stuff in their TBR list.
- diggan 2y ago
  > AFAIK, that the way our vision works is that our eyes only see a narrowly focused region in detail and the rest of our periphery is generated by our brain (based on what we saw there before). I know it's a over-simplification, but maybe too much of it? 100% of your periphery isn't "generated" by your brain based only on what you've seen before, otherwise it wouldn't be possible to see stuff "at the corner of your eyes" or "looking while not looking" where you can see stuff without actually focusing straight on on the thing itself.
  - sedatk 2y ago
    You're right, there is a peripheral sensory mechanism involved that generates a rough rendering, but the details are filled in by our brain.

EZ-E 2y ago

> I can read in my dreams (like signs, books), but it's almost always one word at a time, and the rest of the text becomes impossible to focus while I'm reading that word, no matter how hard I try. It's like the "permanence module" is disabled Techniques for lucid dreaming rely on this fact for you to be able to "detect" that you are in a dream. There is one where you need to look at time, look away and look again. The time will change or be in an impossible format if you're dreaming. Then if you're aware you're dreaming you can start to "control" the dream.

lucidlucia 2y ago
Funny enough, I never really needed these tricks. Or I guess, I do have one? It's when I realize the events are scripted. I don't know why, but many of my dreams are perfectly sensical and linear, and sometimes I notice and hijack them. What I can do with them tho, depends on how close I am to waking up. Saddest one was when I realized I was walking my dead dog. She was actually exhibiting behaviors I know she had been used to have, but not ones I had consciously remembered much when thinking about her after her death. I lingered on that one a bit. Still, dreams are dreams, and there was some weirdness, and I knew them for what they were. But that time, I did not fight the script.
- thedanbob 2y ago
  > It's when I realize the events are scripted. > But that time, I did not fight the script. That's a good way of putting it. In the past when I realized I was dreaming, I would take advantage of the situation and change things, give myself superpowers, etc. But in recent years my few lucid dreams have had really interesting plots, so I consciously chose to let things be and just see where they go.
- sedatk 2y ago
  > I was walking my dead dog I can relate. I saw my dead dog several times in my dream, and in the dream, it felt like she was never dead in the first place, not like I reunited with her, but it was just another of those regular days with her. So, even though I enjoyed the dream, I didn't have that euphoric joy of reuniting with her. I perceive everything as 100% absolute truth and only realize what's wrong after I wake up.

HappMacDonald 2y ago

My experience with nightmares has largely been that a part of my subconscious is trying to conduct the dream in an "exciting" direction, to engender thrill on a par with a carnival ride .. but then it slips or gets out of hand and turns into a spiral of self-fulfilling terror instead. I feel like ruminating on that process some during waking time has helped my dream producing instincts to instead steer away from unnecessary sources of fear often before I even perceive (during the dream) that things might have been about to get scary (though I'm often able to assess that pattern after the fact).

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