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>Officials have also ordered a communications pause, a freeze on hiring, and an indefinite ban on travel. I thought trump was bringing American jobs back? So f

>Officials have also ordered a communications pause, a freeze on hiring, and an indefinite ban on travel. I thought trump was bringing American jobs back? So far he's impacted thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of jobs in 2 days, and hasn't even made a plan for how to get americans hired. (yes, a miniscule piece of me is enjoying how fast the Schedenfreude came. But still, I do mostly want to focus on fixing the country over pointing fingers).

chii 2y ago
people who voted for trump is not going to change their mind based on evidence. They're essentially voting on faith, it's almost like a religion.
- tayo42 2y ago
  I guess there's hope for the tens of thousands that decided to sit out this time too.
- sebazzz 2y ago
  If that is the case, is there any way back from Trumpism to the "normal" Republican party from the era of Bush?
  - vkou 2y ago
    Short of civil war, nuclear war, or a twenty-point election blow-out, no.
    - ChicagoDave 2y ago
      Trump just pardoned the core of an army of thugs that will be legally allowed to stow election chaos in every swing district in the country. Watch. In the mid-terms there will be violence. Then possibly martial law. Then the end of our constitution. Then Trump will have us all spying on each other to see who's loyal and people will just get murdered without consequence. He will do everything in his power to become a dictator.
      - daveguy 2y ago
        And with the immunity decision he doesn't even have to worry about going to jail for it. I hope we are wrong. I hope people come out of the woodwork to tell that fool where to shove it. But I am afraid the tech oligarchy + right wing media has such a hold on information sources for a majority that half the country won't even know what's happening.
        ChicagoDave 2y ago
        The one thing we know is that voters are transactional. Eggs, Chicken, Beef, and Rent will either stay horrible or get worse and with so many Federal jobs being wiped out, unemployment will go up. They needed to get past the mid-terms to do the most damage, but they are not heading in that direction. And if he tries to use the military on U.S. citizens, we should expect a serious push back. Our military is drilled with "all enemies foreign and domestic".
        vkou 2y ago
        There are a number of paths forward wherein voting won't matter. Here's a simple, and bloodless one - when you lose, do the same thing that happened in 2020 - come up with a billion different lies - that you know are lies - about how the election was fraudulent - except this time, Congress and the VP will actually fail to certify the results, it'll go to SCOTUS, which will decide 6-3. There are also bloodier alternatives. The system only works when everyone believes that it works, and that they'll be punished for defecting. It's just been made very clear that there will be no punishments for treason.
Dalewyn 2y ago
Trump just mandated a legally binding and fundamental shift from equity-based hiring (eg: affirmative action, DEI, et al.) back to merit-based. This by its very nature necessitates a temporary freeze on all human resources activites pending reviews to see if any as they currently stand violate equal opportunity guarantees and other requirements based on objective factors. Personally, and I say this as a minority (Japanese-American male), I 300% approve of all this. People must be hired based on their character and capability, not because they happened to be born with the right skin color or sexual organs.
- Eextra953 2y ago
  The war against DEI is clearly over so not that it matters anymore but I have to push back every time I see this sort of comment. DEI, as it relates to hiring, does not and has never meant that people are hired because of their sex or skin color. What it means in practice is that organizations cast a wider net in the search for, and I can't stress this enough, qualified applicants. This wider net has proven to bring forth better candidates to organizations. Also, casting a wider net opens the door for people who are white/asian but come from less traditional backgrounds and/or less prestigious schools to apply as well. Please read up on what DEI truly is before applauding its demise. As scientist, engineers, programmers, and technologists (I assume you are one of those if you are in this forum) we can't blindly believe the propaganda of either side of the political spectrum. In this case, a coordinated effort has deliberately mischaracterized DEI and merit-based hiring as opposites. They are not opposites.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    >qualified applicants. The problem is what "qualified" means under Affirmative Action, DEI, et al.. As a Japanese-American, I've both first- and second-hand witnessed racism against Asians (and Whites) in favor of Blacks and Hispanics in the name of Affirmative Action. That is racism and discrimination in both ways and there have been court rulings prohibiting Affirmative Action, I in absolute terms cannot in good faith accept Affirmative Action. The "D" in DEI stands for "Diversity", which in the majority of cases meant hiring people with stronger weighting placed on their race or nationality and sex. This again is very literally racism, sexism, and discrimination and completely unacceptable. The "E" in DEI stands for "Equity", which in clearer terms means Equal Conclusions, not Equal Opportunities as indirectly declared in our Declaration of Independence (all men created equal with an unalienable right to pursuit of happiness). This is an affront to one of the very cornerstones of our country and the American Dream, which is completely unacceptable. Lastly the "I" in DEI stands for "Inclusion", which would be fine were it not for the fact that the actual implementation has involved excluding peoples who do not subscribe to certain narratives. Nowhere has this been more obvious than in politics and specifically identity politics, where the Center and Right simply call me an American but the Left call me various labels. I very sincerely don't have time for that divisive bullshit. As someone who loves and appreciates science and technology and all the wonders we can accomplish, I reiterate my 300% support for the absolute rescinding of equity-based hiring and other equity-based human resources programmes. As Martin Luther King once said, I too dream of a day when everyone will be judged by the quality of their character. I dream of a day when everyone will be judged by what they are capable of, not what they are born as.

chii 2y ago

people who voted for trump is not going to change their mind based on evidence. They're essentially voting on faith, it's almost like a religion.

tayo42 2y ago
I guess there's hope for the tens of thousands that decided to sit out this time too.
sebazzz 2y ago
If that is the case, is there any way back from Trumpism to the "normal" Republican party from the era of Bush?
- vkou 2y ago
  Short of civil war, nuclear war, or a twenty-point election blow-out, no.
  - ChicagoDave 2y ago
    Trump just pardoned the core of an army of thugs that will be legally allowed to stow election chaos in every swing district in the country. Watch. In the mid-terms there will be violence. Then possibly martial law. Then the end of our constitution. Then Trump will have us all spying on each other to see who's loyal and people will just get murdered without consequence. He will do everything in his power to become a dictator.
    - daveguy 2y ago
      And with the immunity decision he doesn't even have to worry about going to jail for it. I hope we are wrong. I hope people come out of the woodwork to tell that fool where to shove it. But I am afraid the tech oligarchy + right wing media has such a hold on information sources for a majority that half the country won't even know what's happening.
      - ChicagoDave 2y ago
        The one thing we know is that voters are transactional. Eggs, Chicken, Beef, and Rent will either stay horrible or get worse and with so many Federal jobs being wiped out, unemployment will go up. They needed to get past the mid-terms to do the most damage, but they are not heading in that direction. And if he tries to use the military on U.S. citizens, we should expect a serious push back. Our military is drilled with "all enemies foreign and domestic".
        vkou 2y ago
        There are a number of paths forward wherein voting won't matter. Here's a simple, and bloodless one - when you lose, do the same thing that happened in 2020 - come up with a billion different lies - that you know are lies - about how the election was fraudulent - except this time, Congress and the VP will actually fail to certify the results, it'll go to SCOTUS, which will decide 6-3. There are also bloodier alternatives. The system only works when everyone believes that it works, and that they'll be punished for defecting. It's just been made very clear that there will be no punishments for treason.

Dalewyn 2y ago

Trump just mandated a legally binding and fundamental shift from equity-based hiring (eg: affirmative action, DEI, et al.) back to merit-based. This by its very nature necessitates a temporary freeze on all human resources activites pending reviews to see if any as they currently stand violate equal opportunity guarantees and other requirements based on objective factors. Personally, and I say this as a minority (Japanese-American male), I 300% approve of all this. People must be hired based on their character and capability, not because they happened to be born with the right skin color or sexual organs.

Eextra953 2y ago
The war against DEI is clearly over so not that it matters anymore but I have to push back every time I see this sort of comment. DEI, as it relates to hiring, does not and has never meant that people are hired because of their sex or skin color. What it means in practice is that organizations cast a wider net in the search for, and I can't stress this enough, qualified applicants. This wider net has proven to bring forth better candidates to organizations. Also, casting a wider net opens the door for people who are white/asian but come from less traditional backgrounds and/or less prestigious schools to apply as well. Please read up on what DEI truly is before applauding its demise. As scientist, engineers, programmers, and technologists (I assume you are one of those if you are in this forum) we can't blindly believe the propaganda of either side of the political spectrum. In this case, a coordinated effort has deliberately mischaracterized DEI and merit-based hiring as opposites. They are not opposites.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  >qualified applicants. The problem is what "qualified" means under Affirmative Action, DEI, et al.. As a Japanese-American, I've both first- and second-hand witnessed racism against Asians (and Whites) in favor of Blacks and Hispanics in the name of Affirmative Action. That is racism and discrimination in both ways and there have been court rulings prohibiting Affirmative Action, I in absolute terms cannot in good faith accept Affirmative Action. The "D" in DEI stands for "Diversity", which in the majority of cases meant hiring people with stronger weighting placed on their race or nationality and sex. This again is very literally racism, sexism, and discrimination and completely unacceptable. The "E" in DEI stands for "Equity", which in clearer terms means Equal Conclusions, not Equal Opportunities as indirectly declared in our Declaration of Independence (all men created equal with an unalienable right to pursuit of happiness). This is an affront to one of the very cornerstones of our country and the American Dream, which is completely unacceptable. Lastly the "I" in DEI stands for "Inclusion", which would be fine were it not for the fact that the actual implementation has involved excluding peoples who do not subscribe to certain narratives. Nowhere has this been more obvious than in politics and specifically identity politics, where the Center and Right simply call me an American but the Left call me various labels. I very sincerely don't have time for that divisive bullshit. As someone who loves and appreciates science and technology and all the wonders we can accomplish, I reiterate my 300% support for the absolute rescinding of equity-based hiring and other equity-based human resources programmes. As Martin Luther King once said, I too dream of a day when everyone will be judged by the quality of their character. I dream of a day when everyone will be judged by what they are capable of, not what they are born as.