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Elon Musk Reddit Ban: List of Subreddits Blocking X Links

17 points by huijzer 2y ago

lenerdenator 2y ago
Remember: If nine people are comfortable sitting down at a table to eat lunch with a Nazi, then there are ten Nazis at that table. Of course, you could debate just how close Musk's views are to the tenants of National Socialism, but the point is that his rhetoric and actions closely mirror some of the more vile parts of that ideology and could encourage people to act in certain ways that are detrimental to the safety of certain groups. I guess what I'm saying is, don't split hairs for justifying what has happened, and just delete your Twitter account. EDIT: Downvote me all you want; my grandfather didn't watch his countrymen get gunned down on Omaha beach from his US Navy ship for someone to throw Roman salutes at the inauguration of a President.
- foxyv 2y ago
  I think the most telling aspect isn't just the salute as the unwillingness to condemn the ideology that the salute represents. This, taken in addition to his willingness to tolerate fascist rhetoric on social platforms paints a bleak picture.
  - lawn 2y ago
    He hasn't just been tolerating it, he's been actively promoting their ideas. The Nazi salute was just a much more public display of the same behavior.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  I think that is an interesting framing and always posed as a truth, especially on reddit. No, I dont think there is a transitive property of evil.
- oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
  I think the nazi salutes now put it beyond doubt that he's either a) an actual Nazi b) willing to court actual Nazis to achieve his ends. a) is clearly worse, but b) is still way, way beyond the pale.
- nataliste 2y ago
  >If nine people are comfortable sitting down at a table to eat lunch with a Nazi, then there are ten Nazis at that table. "If you associate with the untermensch, you are also untermensch." >Of course, you could debate just how close Musk's views are to the tenants of National Socialism but the point is that his rhetoric and actions closely mirror some of the more vile parts of that ideology and could encourage people to act in certain ways that are detrimental to the safety of certain groups. "Don't look for context or look too deeply. You are being attacked and in danger. Feel--Don't think. Only feel and act." >I guess what I'm saying is, don't split hairs for justifying what has happened, and just delete your Twitter account. "Don't think and do what we tell you." >Downvote me all you want; my grandfather didn't watch his countrymen get gunned down on Omaha beach from his US Navy ship for someone to throw Roman salutes at the inauguration of a President. "Succumb to this emotional appeal to patriotism and blood sacrifice to justify why you should stop thinking and unthinkingly do what we tell you to do, now." Someone is behaving like Joseph Goebbels, but I don't think it's Elon Musk.
  - ModernMech 2y ago
    Yes Nazis loooove to play games like this, because Nazis thrive in the grey area that is the benefit of the doubt. But we saw the salute, he overplayed his hand. There’s no grey area. If you Nazi salute you are a Nazi, I don’t make the rules. Don’t like it, don’t heil Hitler.
    - nataliste 2y ago
      "...[F]or it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols."
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delichon 2y ago
Does this intersect with the net neutrality debate? The FCC's net neutrality rules were focused on ISPs. But is there really a fundamental difference between an ISP and a big internet portal with respect to the value of neutrality? Net neutrality was designed to ensure that all data on the internet is treated equally by ISPs and governments, regardless of content, user, platform, application, or device. -- https://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/net-neutrality.asp Once it would have been considered easier to switch an ISP than a social network, and that justifies different treatment. But the network effect has often proven an insurmountable garden wall for social network users. It's not clear to me that it is logically or ethically consistent to regulate neutrality for one but not the other.
- meiraleal 2y ago
  > Does this intersect with the net neutrality debate? No, it doesn't. Xitter shadowbans reddit links (and many others), this is a late reaction.
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  - orwin 2y ago
    It shadowban all links, it's not ideological, but a mercantile decision (links take you outside).
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/25a0002p-06.pdf https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/25a0002p-06.pd... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gl417l757o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gl417l757o If it doesn't apply to internet providers based on the Sixth Circuit's recent decision, it applying to Reddit is very unlikely.
- CurtHagenlocher 2y ago
  This strikes me as an odd take. Reddit is a platform that allows users to create and moderate forums. Reddit as a platform isn't blocking anything. Individual forum moderators have always had the ability to delete posts for any reason they like. People who don't like the moderation being done in /r/reallyreallycutecats always have the ability to create a new forum /r/reallyreallycutecatsontwitter.
dtgriscom 2y ago
I was looking to find a list of Subreddits blocking X links, but the title is misleading; the article only lists a random five. I'm sure there are more.
- oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
  [A search](https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitter/search/?q=twitter+ban&t=day https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitter/search/?q=twitter+ban&t=day) confirms there are many more.
- dtgriscom 2y ago
  I made my own list, stopping after the first 100 (pretend there's an "r/" in front of every one): AFCBournemouth amsterdam antiwork arizona berkeley BG3Builds BlackPink blacksbeach bloomington BlueskySocial bobdylan boston cade CalamityMod CalgaryFlames centuryhomes childfree comicbookmovies CompetitiveTFT coys CPTSDmemes Cushings Delaware DenverBroncos denvernuggets denvernuggets destiny2 DetroitRedWings DiscoElysium discworld dndnext dragonage electrolysis Eugene exmormon formula1 fossdroid FreeLuigi FuckPierre fullmoviesonyoutube funnysigns Georgia GreenDay greenville Guildwars2 Hozier IndigoPark ironmaiden KGATLW KingdomHearts korea lanadlrey law LesbianActually LiverpoolFC LOTR_on_Prime massachusetts mfdoom minnesota missouri MobileSuitGundam ModeratePolitics MonsterHunter MurderDrones nashville nba newjersey nudists okbuddybaldur onednd onednd OnePiece pcgaming phoenix poirot Portland ProductManagement PWHL Rambley rangers ricohGR rupaulsdragrace SaltLakeCity Seattle SeveranceAppleTVPlus SisterWives Ska southcarolina stateofMN SteamDeck StreetFighter StupidFood TaylorSwift tomboyNSFW TransMenErasure Ultraman ValorantCompetitive Warhammer wisconsin wow This includes subreddits that have always banned such links (often as part of a "no social media" policy). It does not include a dozen or so that had polls in progress.
  - dtgriscom 2y ago
    Another 27: AFL alaska Austin BravoRealHousewives Brazil canucks chicago democrats Disneyland dropout Fighters ireland LeopardsAteMyFace Living_in_Korea OneOrangeBraincell Ontario Philly rva Scotland Seahawks startrek tennis texas Transformers washingtondc Xenoblade_Chronicles xmen

17 points by huijzer 2y ago

Remember: If nine people are comfortable sitting down at a table to eat lunch with a Nazi, then there are ten Nazis at that table. Of course, you could debate just how close Musk's views are to the tenants of National Socialism, but the point is that his rhetoric and actions closely mirror some of the more vile parts of that ideology and could encourage people to act in certain ways that are detrimental to the safety of certain groups. I guess what I'm saying is, don't split hairs for justifying what has happened, and just delete your Twitter account. EDIT: Downvote me all you want; my grandfather didn't watch his countrymen get gunned down on Omaha beach from his US Navy ship for someone to throw Roman salutes at the inauguration of a President.

foxyv 2y ago
I think the most telling aspect isn't just the salute as the unwillingness to condemn the ideology that the salute represents. This, taken in addition to his willingness to tolerate fascist rhetoric on social platforms paints a bleak picture.
- lawn 2y ago
  He hasn't just been tolerating it, he's been actively promoting their ideas. The Nazi salute was just a much more public display of the same behavior.
s1artibartfast 2y ago
I think that is an interesting framing and always posed as a truth, especially on reddit. No, I dont think there is a transitive property of evil.
oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
I think the nazi salutes now put it beyond doubt that he's either a) an actual Nazi b) willing to court actual Nazis to achieve his ends. a) is clearly worse, but b) is still way, way beyond the pale.
nataliste 2y ago
>If nine people are comfortable sitting down at a table to eat lunch with a Nazi, then there are ten Nazis at that table. "If you associate with the untermensch, you are also untermensch." >Of course, you could debate just how close Musk's views are to the tenants of National Socialism but the point is that his rhetoric and actions closely mirror some of the more vile parts of that ideology and could encourage people to act in certain ways that are detrimental to the safety of certain groups. "Don't look for context or look too deeply. You are being attacked and in danger. Feel--Don't think. Only feel and act." >I guess what I'm saying is, don't split hairs for justifying what has happened, and just delete your Twitter account. "Don't think and do what we tell you." >Downvote me all you want; my grandfather didn't watch his countrymen get gunned down on Omaha beach from his US Navy ship for someone to throw Roman salutes at the inauguration of a President. "Succumb to this emotional appeal to patriotism and blood sacrifice to justify why you should stop thinking and unthinkingly do what we tell you to do, now." Someone is behaving like Joseph Goebbels, but I don't think it's Elon Musk.
- ModernMech 2y ago
  Yes Nazis loooove to play games like this, because Nazis thrive in the grey area that is the benefit of the doubt. But we saw the salute, he overplayed his hand. There’s no grey area. If you Nazi salute you are a Nazi, I don’t make the rules. Don’t like it, don’t heil Hitler.
  - nataliste 2y ago
    "...[F]or it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols."
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delichon 2y ago

Does this intersect with the net neutrality debate? The FCC's net neutrality rules were focused on ISPs. But is there really a fundamental difference between an ISP and a big internet portal with respect to the value of neutrality? Net neutrality was designed to ensure that all data on the internet is treated equally by ISPs and governments, regardless of content, user, platform, application, or device. -- https://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/net-neutrality.asp Once it would have been considered easier to switch an ISP than a social network, and that justifies different treatment. But the network effect has often proven an insurmountable garden wall for social network users. It's not clear to me that it is logically or ethically consistent to regulate neutrality for one but not the other.

meiraleal 2y ago
> Does this intersect with the net neutrality debate? No, it doesn't. Xitter shadowbans reddit links (and many others), this is a late reaction.
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- orwin 2y ago
  It shadowban all links, it's not ideological, but a mercantile decision (links take you outside).
toomuchtodo 2y ago
https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/25a0002p-06.pdf https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/25a0002p-06.pd... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gl417l757o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gl417l757o If it doesn't apply to internet providers based on the Sixth Circuit's recent decision, it applying to Reddit is very unlikely.
CurtHagenlocher 2y ago
This strikes me as an odd take. Reddit is a platform that allows users to create and moderate forums. Reddit as a platform isn't blocking anything. Individual forum moderators have always had the ability to delete posts for any reason they like. People who don't like the moderation being done in /r/reallyreallycutecats always have the ability to create a new forum /r/reallyreallycutecatsontwitter.

dtgriscom 2y ago

I was looking to find a list of Subreddits blocking X links, but the title is misleading; the article only lists a random five. I'm sure there are more.

oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
[A search](https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitter/search/?q=twitter+ban&t=day https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitter/search/?q=twitter+ban&t=day) confirms there are many more.
dtgriscom 2y ago
I made my own list, stopping after the first 100 (pretend there's an "r/" in front of every one): AFCBournemouth amsterdam antiwork arizona berkeley BG3Builds BlackPink blacksbeach bloomington BlueskySocial bobdylan boston cade CalamityMod CalgaryFlames centuryhomes childfree comicbookmovies CompetitiveTFT coys CPTSDmemes Cushings Delaware DenverBroncos denvernuggets denvernuggets destiny2 DetroitRedWings DiscoElysium discworld dndnext dragonage electrolysis Eugene exmormon formula1 fossdroid FreeLuigi FuckPierre fullmoviesonyoutube funnysigns Georgia GreenDay greenville Guildwars2 Hozier IndigoPark ironmaiden KGATLW KingdomHearts korea lanadlrey law LesbianActually LiverpoolFC LOTR_on_Prime massachusetts mfdoom minnesota missouri MobileSuitGundam ModeratePolitics MonsterHunter MurderDrones nashville nba newjersey nudists okbuddybaldur onednd onednd OnePiece pcgaming phoenix poirot Portland ProductManagement PWHL Rambley rangers ricohGR rupaulsdragrace SaltLakeCity Seattle SeveranceAppleTVPlus SisterWives Ska southcarolina stateofMN SteamDeck StreetFighter StupidFood TaylorSwift tomboyNSFW TransMenErasure Ultraman ValorantCompetitive Warhammer wisconsin wow This includes subreddits that have always banned such links (often as part of a "no social media" policy). It does not include a dozen or so that had polls in progress.
- dtgriscom 2y ago
  Another 27: AFL alaska Austin BravoRealHousewives Brazil canucks chicago democrats Disneyland dropout Fighters ireland LeopardsAteMyFace Living_in_Korea OneOrangeBraincell Ontario Philly rva Scotland Seahawks startrek tennis texas Transformers washingtondc Xenoblade_Chronicles xmen