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China is much more peaceful nation compared to US. So, yes, I'd prefer China leading AI research any day. They are interested in mutual trade and prosperity, th

China is much more peaceful nation compared to US. So, yes, I'd prefer China leading AI research any day. They are interested in mutual trade and prosperity, they respect local laws and culture, all unlike US.

jbaiter 2y ago
"They respect local laws and culture" - I think people from Xinyang probably have a very different perspective on that........
- anthk 2y ago
  If you had AlQaeda in a hypothetical region near Florida with almost two-yearly terror attacks, you would shit bricks and create jails/prisons with more security than the Pentagon itself.
- Octoth0rpe 2y ago
  I think there's a more nuanced version of this: China respects local laws and culture _outside of what they view as China_ more than the US does. It's also worth noting that China's policy in Xinjiang is somewhat narrowly targeted at religion, and less other aspects like cuisine or clothing. That said, religion is nigh impossible to separate from the broader idea of culture in much of the world.
  - lupire 2y ago
    Africa and South America and USA strongly disagree.
  - Analemma_ 2y ago
    Give me a break. China has overseas police stations as bases of operation for harassing ex-pats and dissidents. That's not "respecting local laws and culture".
    - whimsicalism 2y ago
      sorry but you’re not going to convince anyone approaching this with a neutral mind that China is more partial to overseas intervention than the US is
      - Octoth0rpe 2y ago
        Agree, and would like to say that this is not because many of us see China as some benevolent actor on the world stage, but rather because we see how NOT benevolent the US has been historically (see South America, the middle east, etc)
        whimsicalism 2y ago
        the US has done lots of positive things as well. i understand it is popular to be a critic nowadays, but in many ways the US has had a strong commitment to majoritarian democracy over the last century and is trending in a better direction. but regardless of the net balance of actions, it is clearly more interventionist than China has been up to this point
- vbezhenar 2y ago
  I encountered this almost first person. When American company goes like an elephant, bribing local officials left and right, using dirty practices to push out concurrents. At the same time, Chinese companies try very hard to abide to local regulations and trying to resolve all issues using local courts, etc. Like actually civilised people. What happens inside China is nothing of my interest, it's their business. They existed for millennias, they probably know how to manage themselves. They are not trying to expand outside of may be Taiwan, they don't put their military bases in my country, they don't fund so-called "opposition" and that's good enough for me.
  - whimsicalism 2y ago
    Bribery is probably one of the few cases where the US is significantly better than bad actors in both China and the EU, both of which have major problems with overseas bribery
infecto 2y ago
Holy smokes. Do folks like you actually believe this? China has its own style of colonialism (whatever you want to call it) but it certainly exists as strong as the US flavor.
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  How many countries has China invaded and bombed in the last 30 years? How many deaths did China's warmongering caused abroad?
  - infecto 2y ago
    Quite a few from an economic perspective. Like I said they have their own style of colonialism. To think they are some peaceful loving nation is foolish. Maybe in the last 10 years China have had the military equipment capable of handling an offensive. They have been smart and done all their dealings via money. Without going too far in whataboutism, I simply find it ridiculous to classify China as a warm fuzzy nation with their long list of human rights issues. That does not mean America is peaceful and loving, simply that perhaps the two countries are not so different in net.
    - Cumpiler69 2y ago
      > Like I said they have their own style of colonialism. That's moving the goalposts and doesn't address the issue. >They have been smart and done all their dealings via money. You mean just like the country who issues the world reserve currency and who's intelligence agencies get involved in destabilizing regimes across the world?
      - infecto 2y ago
        > That's moving the goalposts and doesn't address the issue. Is this how you make a constructive argument? Perhaps I was expecting too much from a joke account but this style of whataboutism is boring. My post that you responded to set my premise which was that China has its own form of colonialism that is quite different than Americas but it exists and it’s quite strong. To classify China as a peaceful loving nation that respects other cultures is as if we were saying the US has never started a conflict. It’s factually a lie. China has a long list of human rights issues, they factually do not respect other cultures even within their own borders. I am not defending America but pointing out that China is not what the OP stated.

jbaiter 2y ago

"They respect local laws and culture" - I think people from Xinyang probably have a very different perspective on that........

anthk 2y ago
If you had AlQaeda in a hypothetical region near Florida with almost two-yearly terror attacks, you would shit bricks and create jails/prisons with more security than the Pentagon itself.
Octoth0rpe 2y ago
I think there's a more nuanced version of this: China respects local laws and culture _outside of what they view as China_ more than the US does. It's also worth noting that China's policy in Xinjiang is somewhat narrowly targeted at religion, and less other aspects like cuisine or clothing. That said, religion is nigh impossible to separate from the broader idea of culture in much of the world.
- lupire 2y ago
  Africa and South America and USA strongly disagree.
- Analemma_ 2y ago
  Give me a break. China has overseas police stations as bases of operation for harassing ex-pats and dissidents. That's not "respecting local laws and culture".
  - whimsicalism 2y ago
    sorry but you’re not going to convince anyone approaching this with a neutral mind that China is more partial to overseas intervention than the US is
    - Octoth0rpe 2y ago
      Agree, and would like to say that this is not because many of us see China as some benevolent actor on the world stage, but rather because we see how NOT benevolent the US has been historically (see South America, the middle east, etc)
      - whimsicalism 2y ago
        the US has done lots of positive things as well. i understand it is popular to be a critic nowadays, but in many ways the US has had a strong commitment to majoritarian democracy over the last century and is trending in a better direction. but regardless of the net balance of actions, it is clearly more interventionist than China has been up to this point
vbezhenar 2y ago
I encountered this almost first person. When American company goes like an elephant, bribing local officials left and right, using dirty practices to push out concurrents. At the same time, Chinese companies try very hard to abide to local regulations and trying to resolve all issues using local courts, etc. Like actually civilised people. What happens inside China is nothing of my interest, it's their business. They existed for millennias, they probably know how to manage themselves. They are not trying to expand outside of may be Taiwan, they don't put their military bases in my country, they don't fund so-called "opposition" and that's good enough for me.
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  Bribery is probably one of the few cases where the US is significantly better than bad actors in both China and the EU, both of which have major problems with overseas bribery

infecto 2y ago

Holy smokes. Do folks like you actually believe this? China has its own style of colonialism (whatever you want to call it) but it certainly exists as strong as the US flavor.

Cumpiler69 2y ago
How many countries has China invaded and bombed in the last 30 years? How many deaths did China's warmongering caused abroad?
- infecto 2y ago
  Quite a few from an economic perspective. Like I said they have their own style of colonialism. To think they are some peaceful loving nation is foolish. Maybe in the last 10 years China have had the military equipment capable of handling an offensive. They have been smart and done all their dealings via money. Without going too far in whataboutism, I simply find it ridiculous to classify China as a warm fuzzy nation with their long list of human rights issues. That does not mean America is peaceful and loving, simply that perhaps the two countries are not so different in net.
  - Cumpiler69 2y ago
    > Like I said they have their own style of colonialism. That's moving the goalposts and doesn't address the issue. >They have been smart and done all their dealings via money. You mean just like the country who issues the world reserve currency and who's intelligence agencies get involved in destabilizing regimes across the world?
    - infecto 2y ago
      > That's moving the goalposts and doesn't address the issue. Is this how you make a constructive argument? Perhaps I was expecting too much from a joke account but this style of whataboutism is boring. My post that you responded to set my premise which was that China has its own form of colonialism that is quite different than Americas but it exists and it’s quite strong. To classify China as a peaceful loving nation that respects other cultures is as if we were saying the US has never started a conflict. It’s factually a lie. China has a long list of human rights issues, they factually do not respect other cultures even within their own borders. I am not defending America but pointing out that China is not what the OP stated.