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This is a money making scheme.

by Gud 2y ago

arisAlexis 2y ago
This has cosmological significance if it leads to superintelligence
- iLoveOncall 2y ago
  Don't worry, it'll only lead to superstupidity.
  - bluescrn 2y ago
    And superplagiarism of human-created content
    - XenophileJKO 2y ago
      I'm sure this will age well.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    Is that the prequel to Idiocracy?
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  It won't unless there's another (r)evolution in the underlying technology / science / algorithms, at this point scaling up just means they use bigger datasets or more iterations, but it's more finetuning and improving the existing output then coming up with a next generation / superintelligence.
  - iLoveOncall 2y ago
    > bigger datasets Not even, they already ran out of data.
    - nick__m 2y ago
      I am sure that the M.I.C. have a ton of classified data that could be used to train a military AI.
  - Filligree 2y ago
    Okay, but let’s be pessimistic for a moment. What can we do if that revolution does happen, and they’re close to AGI? I don’t believe the control problem is solved, but I’m not sure it would matter if it is.
    - ForHackernews 2y ago
      Being pessimistic, how come no human supergeniuses ever took over the world? Why didn't Leibniz make everyone else into his slaves? I don't even understand what the proposed mechanism for "rouge AI enslaves humanity" is. It's scifi (and not hard scifi) as far as I can see.
      - Philpax 2y ago
        Once you have one AGI, you can scale it to many AGI as long as you have the necessary compute. An AGI never needs to take breaks, can work non-stop on a problem, has access to all of the world's information simultaneously, and can interact with any system it's connected to. To put it simply, it could outcompete humanity on every metric that matters, especially given recent advancements in robotics.
        ForHackernews 2y ago
        ...so it can think really hard all the time and come up with lots of great, devious evil ideas? Again, I wonder why no group of smart people with brilliant ideas has unilaterally imposed those ideas on the rest of humanity through sheer force of genius.
        Philpax 2y ago
        An equivalent advance in autonomous robotics would solve the force projection issue, if that's what you're getting at. I don't know if this will happen with any certainty, but the general idea of commoditising intelligence very much has the ability to tip the world order: every problem that can be tackled by throwing brainpower at it will be, and those advances will compound. Also, the question you're posing did happen: it was called the Manhattan Project.
  - miki123211 2y ago
    > It won't unless there's another (r)evolution in the underlying technology / science I think reinforcement learning with little to no human feedback, O-1 / R-1 style, might be that revolution.
    - nkingsy 2y ago
      There is lots of human feedback. This isn’t a game with an end state that it can easily play against itself. It needs problems with known solutions, or realistic simulations. This is why people wonder if our own universe is a simulation for training an asi.
    - talldayo 2y ago
      I think gluing wings to a pig will make it fly. Show me examples or stop the conjecture.
- computerthings 2y ago
  "this generation shall not pass"... to me that's about as credible as wanting to "preserve human consciousness" by going to Mars. Setting the world on fire and disrupting societies gleefully, while basically building bunkers (figuratively more than literally) and consolidating surveillance and propaganda to ride out the cataclysm, that's what I'm seeing. And the stories to sell people on continuing to put up with that are not even good IMO. Just because the people who use the story to consolidate wealth and control are excited about that, we're somehow expected to be excited about the promise of a pair of socks made from barbed wire they gave us for Christmas. It's the narcissistic experience: "this is shit. this benefits you, not me. this hurts me." One thing is sure, actual intelligence, regardless of how you may define it, something that is able to reason and speak freely, is NOT what people who fire engineers for correcting them want. It's not about a sort of oracle for humanity to enjoy and benefit from, that just speaks "truth".
4ndrewl 2y ago
Wealth residistribution scheme. Your tax dollars into their pockets.
- Palmik 2y ago
  As far as I can tell, this will be financed by private money. Can you elaborate?
  - belter 2y ago
    Your tax dollars are the customer.
  - 4ndrewl 2y ago
    Tax breaks, government forced to become a customer etc. the usual. Just like the astronauts to Mars thing will just shovel your money that might have gone to NASA into Musk's pocket.
    - beezlewax 2y ago
      The Mars walk is just 3 years away baby!
      - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
        The best part about this answer is it's always true.
        4ndrewl 2y ago
        Related: GenAI, Cold fusion
        SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
        Yup, and FSD.
      - 2y ago
vargr616 2y ago
what's the difference
- Gud 2y ago
  Not all money making schemes involve the military.
jwr 2y ago
Mostly benefiting the fossil fuel industry. How are they going to power this? Gas is the only option that can be implemented within single years. And this is going to need a lot of power. Who cares about the planet, anyway.
- admissionsguy 2y ago
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  - unethical_ban 2y ago
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  - insane_dreamer 2y ago
    Pollution and climate change are two separate problems (both linked to the fossil fuel industry).
- andrepd 2y ago
  Trump just rescinded licenses for offshore wind farms via an EO. We're fucking cooked (and I mean this literally)
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    Before downvoting the OP and, for more information, see: https://apnews.com/article/wind-energy-offshore-turbines-trump-executive-order-995a744c3c1a2eddb30cacf50b681f13 https://apnews.com/article/wind-energy-offshore-turbines-tru... https://www.utilitydive.com/news/trump-offshore-wind-leasing-permitting-executive-orders-energy/737835/ https://www.utilitydive.com/news/trump-offshore-wind-leasing...
  - cko 2y ago
    > Offshore wind is among the sources of new power generation that will cost the most, at about $100 per megawatt hour for new projects connecting to the grid in 2028, according to estimates from the Energy Information Administration. That includes tax credits under the Inflation Reduction Act, which reduces the cost of renewable technologies. But onshore wind is one of the cheapest sources, at about $31 on average for new projects. I mean, I can see how numbers wise this decision makes sense.

This is a money making scheme.

by Gud 2y ago

This is a money making scheme.

arisAlexis 2y ago

This has cosmological significance if it leads to superintelligence

iLoveOncall 2y ago
Don't worry, it'll only lead to superstupidity.
- bluescrn 2y ago
  And superplagiarism of human-created content
  - XenophileJKO 2y ago
    I'm sure this will age well.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  Is that the prequel to Idiocracy?
Cthulhu_ 2y ago
It won't unless there's another (r)evolution in the underlying technology / science / algorithms, at this point scaling up just means they use bigger datasets or more iterations, but it's more finetuning and improving the existing output then coming up with a next generation / superintelligence.
- iLoveOncall 2y ago
  > bigger datasets Not even, they already ran out of data.
  - nick__m 2y ago
    I am sure that the M.I.C. have a ton of classified data that could be used to train a military AI.
- Filligree 2y ago
  Okay, but let’s be pessimistic for a moment. What can we do if that revolution does happen, and they’re close to AGI? I don’t believe the control problem is solved, but I’m not sure it would matter if it is.
  - ForHackernews 2y ago
    Being pessimistic, how come no human supergeniuses ever took over the world? Why didn't Leibniz make everyone else into his slaves? I don't even understand what the proposed mechanism for "rouge AI enslaves humanity" is. It's scifi (and not hard scifi) as far as I can see.
    - Philpax 2y ago
      Once you have one AGI, you can scale it to many AGI as long as you have the necessary compute. An AGI never needs to take breaks, can work non-stop on a problem, has access to all of the world's information simultaneously, and can interact with any system it's connected to. To put it simply, it could outcompete humanity on every metric that matters, especially given recent advancements in robotics.
      - ForHackernews 2y ago
        ...so it can think really hard all the time and come up with lots of great, devious evil ideas? Again, I wonder why no group of smart people with brilliant ideas has unilaterally imposed those ideas on the rest of humanity through sheer force of genius.
        Philpax 2y ago
        An equivalent advance in autonomous robotics would solve the force projection issue, if that's what you're getting at. I don't know if this will happen with any certainty, but the general idea of commoditising intelligence very much has the ability to tip the world order: every problem that can be tackled by throwing brainpower at it will be, and those advances will compound. Also, the question you're posing did happen: it was called the Manhattan Project.
- miki123211 2y ago
  > It won't unless there's another (r)evolution in the underlying technology / science I think reinforcement learning with little to no human feedback, O-1 / R-1 style, might be that revolution.
  - nkingsy 2y ago
    There is lots of human feedback. This isn’t a game with an end state that it can easily play against itself. It needs problems with known solutions, or realistic simulations. This is why people wonder if our own universe is a simulation for training an asi.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    I think gluing wings to a pig will make it fly. Show me examples or stop the conjecture.
computerthings 2y ago
"this generation shall not pass"... to me that's about as credible as wanting to "preserve human consciousness" by going to Mars. Setting the world on fire and disrupting societies gleefully, while basically building bunkers (figuratively more than literally) and consolidating surveillance and propaganda to ride out the cataclysm, that's what I'm seeing. And the stories to sell people on continuing to put up with that are not even good IMO. Just because the people who use the story to consolidate wealth and control are excited about that, we're somehow expected to be excited about the promise of a pair of socks made from barbed wire they gave us for Christmas. It's the narcissistic experience: "this is shit. this benefits you, not me. this hurts me." One thing is sure, actual intelligence, regardless of how you may define it, something that is able to reason and speak freely, is NOT what people who fire engineers for correcting them want. It's not about a sort of oracle for humanity to enjoy and benefit from, that just speaks "truth".

4ndrewl 2y ago

Wealth residistribution scheme. Your tax dollars into their pockets.

Palmik 2y ago
As far as I can tell, this will be financed by private money. Can you elaborate?
- belter 2y ago
  Your tax dollars are the customer.
- 4ndrewl 2y ago
  Tax breaks, government forced to become a customer etc. the usual. Just like the astronauts to Mars thing will just shovel your money that might have gone to NASA into Musk's pocket.
  - beezlewax 2y ago
    The Mars walk is just 3 years away baby!
    - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
      The best part about this answer is it's always true.
      - 4ndrewl 2y ago
        Related: GenAI, Cold fusion
        SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
        Yup, and FSD.
    - 2y ago

vargr616 2y ago

what's the difference

Gud 2y ago
Not all money making schemes involve the military.

jwr 2y ago

Mostly benefiting the fossil fuel industry. How are they going to power this? Gas is the only option that can be implemented within single years. And this is going to need a lot of power. Who cares about the planet, anyway.

admissionsguy 2y ago
[flagged]
- unethical_ban 2y ago
  [flagged]
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  Pollution and climate change are two separate problems (both linked to the fossil fuel industry).
andrepd 2y ago
Trump just rescinded licenses for offshore wind farms via an EO. We're fucking cooked (and I mean this literally)
- bayindirh 2y ago
  Before downvoting the OP and, for more information, see: https://apnews.com/article/wind-energy-offshore-turbines-trump-executive-order-995a744c3c1a2eddb30cacf50b681f13 https://apnews.com/article/wind-energy-offshore-turbines-tru... https://www.utilitydive.com/news/trump-offshore-wind-leasing-permitting-executive-orders-energy/737835/ https://www.utilitydive.com/news/trump-offshore-wind-leasing...
- cko 2y ago
  > Offshore wind is among the sources of new power generation that will cost the most, at about $100 per megawatt hour for new projects connecting to the grid in 2028, according to estimates from the Energy Information Administration. That includes tax credits under the Inflation Reduction Act, which reduces the cost of renewable technologies. But onshore wind is one of the cheapest sources, at about $31 on average for new projects. I mean, I can see how numbers wise this decision makes sense.