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This is a Military project. Have no doubts about it.

by belter 2y ago

Gud 2y ago
This is a money making scheme.
- arisAlexis 2y ago
  This has cosmological significance if it leads to superintelligence
  - iLoveOncall 2y ago
    Don't worry, it'll only lead to superstupidity.
    - bluescrn 2y ago
      And superplagiarism of human-created content
      - XenophileJKO 2y ago
        I'm sure this will age well.
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      Is that the prequel to Idiocracy?
  - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
    It won't unless there's another (r)evolution in the underlying technology / science / algorithms, at this point scaling up just means they use bigger datasets or more iterations, but it's more finetuning and improving the existing output then coming up with a next generation / superintelligence.
    - iLoveOncall 2y ago
      > bigger datasets Not even, they already ran out of data.
      - nick__m 2y ago
        I am sure that the M.I.C. have a ton of classified data that could be used to train a military AI.
    - Filligree 2y ago
      Okay, but let’s be pessimistic for a moment. What can we do if that revolution does happen, and they’re close to AGI? I don’t believe the control problem is solved, but I’m not sure it would matter if it is.
      - ForHackernews 2y ago
        Being pessimistic, how come no human supergeniuses ever took over the world? Why didn't Leibniz make everyone else into his slaves? I don't even understand what the proposed mechanism for "rouge AI enslaves humanity" is. It's scifi (and not hard scifi) as far as I can see.
        Philpax 2y ago
        Once you have one AGI, you can scale it to many AGI as long as you have the necessary compute. An AGI never needs to take breaks, can work non-stop on a problem, has access to all of the world's information simultaneously, and can interact with any system it's connected to. To put it simply, it could outcompete humanity on every metric that matters, especially given recent advancements in robotics.
        ForHackernews 2y ago
        ...so it can think really hard all the time and come up with lots of great, devious evil ideas? Again, I wonder why no group of smart people with brilliant ideas has unilaterally imposed those ideas on the rest of humanity through sheer force of genius.
  - computerthings 2y ago
    "this generation shall not pass"... to me that's about as credible as wanting to "preserve human consciousness" by going to Mars. Setting the world on fire and disrupting societies gleefully, while basically building bunkers (figuratively more than literally) and consolidating surveillance and propaganda to ride out the cataclysm, that's what I'm seeing. And the stories to sell people on continuing to put up with that are not even good IMO. Just because the people who use the story to consolidate wealth and control are excited about that, we're somehow expected to be excited about the promise of a pair of socks made from barbed wire they gave us for Christmas. It's the narcissistic experience: "this is shit. this benefits you, not me. this hurts me." One thing is sure, actual intelligence, regardless of how you may define it, something that is able to reason and speak freely, is NOT what people who fire engineers for correcting them want. It's not about a sort of oracle for humanity to enjoy and benefit from, that just speaks "truth".
- 4ndrewl 2y ago
  Wealth residistribution scheme. Your tax dollars into their pockets.
  - Palmik 2y ago
    As far as I can tell, this will be financed by private money. Can you elaborate?
    - belter 2y ago
      Your tax dollars are the customer.
    - 4ndrewl 2y ago
      Tax breaks, government forced to become a customer etc. the usual. Just like the astronauts to Mars thing will just shovel your money that might have gone to NASA into Musk's pocket.
      - beezlewax 2y ago
        The Mars walk is just 3 years away baby!
        SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
        The best part about this answer is it's always true.
        4ndrewl 2y ago
        Related: GenAI, Cold fusion
        SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
        Yup, and FSD.
        2y ago
- vargr616 2y ago
  what's the difference
  - Gud 2y ago
    Not all money making schemes involve the military.
- jwr 2y ago
  Mostly benefiting the fossil fuel industry. How are they going to power this? Gas is the only option that can be implemented within single years. And this is going to need a lot of power. Who cares about the planet, anyway.
  - admissionsguy 2y ago
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    - unethical_ban 2y ago
      [flagged]
    - insane_dreamer 2y ago
      Pollution and climate change are two separate problems (both linked to the fossil fuel industry).
  - andrepd 2y ago
    Trump just rescinded licenses for offshore wind farms via an EO. We're fucking cooked (and I mean this literally)
    - bayindirh 2y ago
      Before downvoting the OP and, for more information, see: https://apnews.com/article/wind-energy-offshore-turbines-trump-executive-order-995a744c3c1a2eddb30cacf50b681f13 https://apnews.com/article/wind-energy-offshore-turbines-tru... https://www.utilitydive.com/news/trump-offshore-wind-leasing-permitting-executive-orders-energy/737835/ https://www.utilitydive.com/news/trump-offshore-wind-leasing...
    - cko 2y ago
      > Offshore wind is among the sources of new power generation that will cost the most, at about $100 per megawatt hour for new projects connecting to the grid in 2028, according to estimates from the Energy Information Administration. That includes tax credits under the Inflation Reduction Act, which reduces the cost of renewable technologies. But onshore wind is one of the cheapest sources, at about $31 on average for new projects. I mean, I can see how numbers wise this decision makes sense.
dgoldstein0 2y ago
... If they build it under Cheyenne mountain you are definitely correct
smeeger 2y ago
of course. its an arms race by definition so its all a military project. and already one whistleblower was brazenly murdered by our government to protect our horse in this race.
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  no whistleblower was murdered, ridiculous conspiracy theory
  - smeeger 2y ago
    motive and means is a basis for conviction according to the law
llm_nerd 2y ago
It's an ego-building projects. The data centres were already being built. All of these companies have been dumping tonnes of money into AI and will continue to dump tonnes of money into AI. It's just more of the same, but they had to do a big announcement with Trump to pander to his ego and somehow make it about him. Like he engineered this Stargate thing. The whole embarrassing spectacle was likely arranged by Ellison. I was bullish on OpenAI, but honestly I don't see any path forward where they have any differentiating value that justifies even a tenth of the valuation. Their video AI is simply terrible. Dall-E 2 is matched by many competitors. 4o and o1 and good, but already have been eclipsed by a number of competitors, including an open source Chinese option. My work has almost entirely transitioned to competitors, and Google's latest updates have quietly absolutely trounced OpenAI's offering. Like, Gemini has quietly become the best AI platform in the game. That's all neither here nor there, but I just don't care what Altman and crew have to say any more. They are not leaders in the space. They are, in many ways, has beens.
Twirrim 2y ago
The military project is/was JWCC, TS/SCI+ classified, air gapped clouds. Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Oracle etc all have existing contracts with the DoD covering such work (and getting the contract meant building and running a cloud, not just signing some paperwork agreeing to at some point in the future)

This is a Military project. Have no doubts about it.

by belter 2y ago

This is a Military project. Have no doubts about it.

Gud 2y ago

This is a money making scheme.

arisAlexis 2y ago
This has cosmological significance if it leads to superintelligence
- iLoveOncall 2y ago
  Don't worry, it'll only lead to superstupidity.
  - bluescrn 2y ago
    And superplagiarism of human-created content
    - XenophileJKO 2y ago
      I'm sure this will age well.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    Is that the prequel to Idiocracy?
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  It won't unless there's another (r)evolution in the underlying technology / science / algorithms, at this point scaling up just means they use bigger datasets or more iterations, but it's more finetuning and improving the existing output then coming up with a next generation / superintelligence.
  - iLoveOncall 2y ago
    > bigger datasets Not even, they already ran out of data.
    - nick__m 2y ago
      I am sure that the M.I.C. have a ton of classified data that could be used to train a military AI.
  - Filligree 2y ago
    Okay, but let’s be pessimistic for a moment. What can we do if that revolution does happen, and they’re close to AGI? I don’t believe the control problem is solved, but I’m not sure it would matter if it is.
    - ForHackernews 2y ago
      Being pessimistic, how come no human supergeniuses ever took over the world? Why didn't Leibniz make everyone else into his slaves? I don't even understand what the proposed mechanism for "rouge AI enslaves humanity" is. It's scifi (and not hard scifi) as far as I can see.
      - Philpax 2y ago
        Once you have one AGI, you can scale it to many AGI as long as you have the necessary compute. An AGI never needs to take breaks, can work non-stop on a problem, has access to all of the world's information simultaneously, and can interact with any system it's connected to. To put it simply, it could outcompete humanity on every metric that matters, especially given recent advancements in robotics.
        ForHackernews 2y ago
        ...so it can think really hard all the time and come up with lots of great, devious evil ideas? Again, I wonder why no group of smart people with brilliant ideas has unilaterally imposed those ideas on the rest of humanity through sheer force of genius.
- computerthings 2y ago
  "this generation shall not pass"... to me that's about as credible as wanting to "preserve human consciousness" by going to Mars. Setting the world on fire and disrupting societies gleefully, while basically building bunkers (figuratively more than literally) and consolidating surveillance and propaganda to ride out the cataclysm, that's what I'm seeing. And the stories to sell people on continuing to put up with that are not even good IMO. Just because the people who use the story to consolidate wealth and control are excited about that, we're somehow expected to be excited about the promise of a pair of socks made from barbed wire they gave us for Christmas. It's the narcissistic experience: "this is shit. this benefits you, not me. this hurts me." One thing is sure, actual intelligence, regardless of how you may define it, something that is able to reason and speak freely, is NOT what people who fire engineers for correcting them want. It's not about a sort of oracle for humanity to enjoy and benefit from, that just speaks "truth".
4ndrewl 2y ago
Wealth residistribution scheme. Your tax dollars into their pockets.
- Palmik 2y ago
  As far as I can tell, this will be financed by private money. Can you elaborate?
  - belter 2y ago
    Your tax dollars are the customer.
  - 4ndrewl 2y ago
    Tax breaks, government forced to become a customer etc. the usual. Just like the astronauts to Mars thing will just shovel your money that might have gone to NASA into Musk's pocket.
    - beezlewax 2y ago
      The Mars walk is just 3 years away baby!
      - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
        The best part about this answer is it's always true.
        4ndrewl 2y ago
        Related: GenAI, Cold fusion
        SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
        Yup, and FSD.
      - 2y ago
vargr616 2y ago
what's the difference
- Gud 2y ago
  Not all money making schemes involve the military.
jwr 2y ago
Mostly benefiting the fossil fuel industry. How are they going to power this? Gas is the only option that can be implemented within single years. And this is going to need a lot of power. Who cares about the planet, anyway.
- admissionsguy 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - unethical_ban 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - insane_dreamer 2y ago
    Pollution and climate change are two separate problems (both linked to the fossil fuel industry).
- andrepd 2y ago
  Trump just rescinded licenses for offshore wind farms via an EO. We're fucking cooked (and I mean this literally)
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    Before downvoting the OP and, for more information, see: https://apnews.com/article/wind-energy-offshore-turbines-trump-executive-order-995a744c3c1a2eddb30cacf50b681f13 https://apnews.com/article/wind-energy-offshore-turbines-tru... https://www.utilitydive.com/news/trump-offshore-wind-leasing-permitting-executive-orders-energy/737835/ https://www.utilitydive.com/news/trump-offshore-wind-leasing...
  - cko 2y ago
    > Offshore wind is among the sources of new power generation that will cost the most, at about $100 per megawatt hour for new projects connecting to the grid in 2028, according to estimates from the Energy Information Administration. That includes tax credits under the Inflation Reduction Act, which reduces the cost of renewable technologies. But onshore wind is one of the cheapest sources, at about $31 on average for new projects. I mean, I can see how numbers wise this decision makes sense.

dgoldstein0 2y ago

... If they build it under Cheyenne mountain you are definitely correct

smeeger 2y ago

of course. its an arms race by definition so its all a military project. and already one whistleblower was brazenly murdered by our government to protect our horse in this race.

whimsicalism 2y ago
no whistleblower was murdered, ridiculous conspiracy theory
- smeeger 2y ago
  motive and means is a basis for conviction according to the law

llm_nerd 2y ago

It's an ego-building projects. The data centres were already being built. All of these companies have been dumping tonnes of money into AI and will continue to dump tonnes of money into AI. It's just more of the same, but they had to do a big announcement with Trump to pander to his ego and somehow make it about him. Like he engineered this Stargate thing. The whole embarrassing spectacle was likely arranged by Ellison. I was bullish on OpenAI, but honestly I don't see any path forward where they have any differentiating value that justifies even a tenth of the valuation. Their video AI is simply terrible. Dall-E 2 is matched by many competitors. 4o and o1 and good, but already have been eclipsed by a number of competitors, including an open source Chinese option. My work has almost entirely transitioned to competitors, and Google's latest updates have quietly absolutely trounced OpenAI's offering. Like, Gemini has quietly become the best AI platform in the game. That's all neither here nor there, but I just don't care what Altman and crew have to say any more. They are not leaders in the space. They are, in many ways, has beens.

Twirrim 2y ago

The military project is/was JWCC, TS/SCI+ classified, air gapped clouds. Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Oracle etc all have existing contracts with the DoD covering such work (and getting the contract meant building and running a cloud, not just signing some paperwork agreeing to at some point in the future)