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Serverside rendering is apparently a new technology now. And this brand new thing called islands which someone reinvented recently.

emptiestplace 2y ago
It's back, but the nice thing is it's 10x more complicated now!
- khana 2y ago
  [dead]
- mattmanser 2y ago
  And in slow javashit!
  - otabdeveloper4 2y ago
    So, an overall win for software developers and cloud providers?
belter 2y ago
Oh no. So Java JSF was right after all? :-)
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Yep, time to dust off PrimeFaces.
  - egeozcan 2y ago
    PrimeFaces is very well-maintained and regularly updated. I'd even go further and say that it's one of the few things that makes working with JSF bearable for me. I'm still a thousand times more productive with React though, and PrimeReact also helps there.
  - ramesh31 2y ago
    >Yep, time to dust off PrimeFaces. You joke, but PrimeReact and PrimeVue are some of the best libs out there today, due largely to that heritage. Great company.
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      Sure, it has always been the best JSF framework.
- imtringued 2y ago
  No, the only project I've worked on that was a massive failure was built with Java JSF.
  - jbverschoor 2y ago
    Salesforce's visualforce pages are JSF though
spockz 2y ago
What are islands? The new servlets?
- shreddit 2y ago
  Smallish parts of JS (React, Vue, ...) sprinkled into your website for interactivity. I use it with AstroJS: https://docs.astro.build/en/concepts/islands/ https://docs.astro.build/en/concepts/islands/
  - ehnto 2y ago
    I straddle the fence here, I think we jump down people's throats a bit too quickly when it comes to putting names on their new library. But I do also wish we'd stop reinventing things and patting ourselves on the back in other cases. Eg we are definitely working backwards from SPAs now. "JavaScript islands" were how we got to SPA frameworks in the first place. I don't have all the history and references, but anyone working in web in the late 2000s and 2010s can attest to how progressively adding in javascript on server side rendered HTML was already happening, even componentizing the server side code with CSS and JS packaged up was very common. "The term “component island” was first coined by Etsy’s frontend architect Katie Sylor-Miller in 2019. This idea was then expanded on and documented in this post by Preact creator Jason Miller on August 11, 2020." My only gripe, is that this leads the ready on an alternate history of how we got here.
    - themgt 2y ago
      The general idea of an “Islands” architecture is deceptively simple: render HTML pages on the server, and inject placeholders or slots around highly dynamic regions […] that can then be “hydrated” on the client into small self-contained widgets, reusing their server-rendered initial HTML. cryogenic lab tech: Welcome to the world of tomorrow!
      - jbverschoor 2y ago
        portlets

emptiestplace 2y ago

It's back, but the nice thing is it's 10x more complicated now!

khana 2y ago
[dead]
mattmanser 2y ago
And in slow javashit!
- otabdeveloper4 2y ago
  So, an overall win for software developers and cloud providers?

belter 2y ago

Oh no. So Java JSF was right after all? :-)

pjmlp 2y ago
Yep, time to dust off PrimeFaces.
- egeozcan 2y ago
  PrimeFaces is very well-maintained and regularly updated. I'd even go further and say that it's one of the few things that makes working with JSF bearable for me. I'm still a thousand times more productive with React though, and PrimeReact also helps there.
- ramesh31 2y ago
  >Yep, time to dust off PrimeFaces. You joke, but PrimeReact and PrimeVue are some of the best libs out there today, due largely to that heritage. Great company.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Sure, it has always been the best JSF framework.
imtringued 2y ago
No, the only project I've worked on that was a massive failure was built with Java JSF.
- jbverschoor 2y ago
  Salesforce's visualforce pages are JSF though

spockz 2y ago

What are islands? The new servlets?

shreddit 2y ago
Smallish parts of JS (React, Vue, ...) sprinkled into your website for interactivity. I use it with AstroJS: https://docs.astro.build/en/concepts/islands/ https://docs.astro.build/en/concepts/islands/
- ehnto 2y ago
  I straddle the fence here, I think we jump down people's throats a bit too quickly when it comes to putting names on their new library. But I do also wish we'd stop reinventing things and patting ourselves on the back in other cases. Eg we are definitely working backwards from SPAs now. "JavaScript islands" were how we got to SPA frameworks in the first place. I don't have all the history and references, but anyone working in web in the late 2000s and 2010s can attest to how progressively adding in javascript on server side rendered HTML was already happening, even componentizing the server side code with CSS and JS packaged up was very common. "The term “component island” was first coined by Etsy’s frontend architect Katie Sylor-Miller in 2019. This idea was then expanded on and documented in this post by Preact creator Jason Miller on August 11, 2020." My only gripe, is that this leads the ready on an alternate history of how we got here.
  - themgt 2y ago
    The general idea of an “Islands” architecture is deceptively simple: render HTML pages on the server, and inject placeholders or slots around highly dynamic regions […] that can then be “hydrated” on the client into small self-contained widgets, reusing their server-rendered initial HTML. cryogenic lab tech: Welcome to the world of tomorrow!
    - jbverschoor 2y ago
      portlets