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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading the comments on this thread. Multiple teenagers (one in Australia) died from the drugs distributed on Silk Road. Ross
by zanek 2y ago
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading the comments on this thread. Multiple teenagers (one in Australia) died from the drugs distributed on Silk Road. Ross was ok with selling grenades, body parts, etc on there. But everyone is saying he served his time ???
- buckle8017 2y agoBody parts? huh
- talldayo 2y ago[flagged]
- golly_ned 2y agoHe wasn't dealing them. He's not exactly culpable for the effects of his platform any more than Zuckerberg is responsible for mass hate speech coordinated by third-world dictators or Evan Spiegel for facilitating millions of nude images of children and teenagers.
- dbspin 2y agoHard disagree - Zuckerberg absolutely is responsible for inadequately policing calls for genocide on his platform. Just as every social network is responsible for policing child abuse materials. Should they be punished for such content being uploaded? Of course not. They should face punishment where their wilful failure to police such content results in active harm. Facebook's utterly irresponsible behaviour in Myanmar is a great example - https://systemicjustice.org/article/facebook-and-genocide-how-facebook-contributed-to-genocide-in-myanmar-and-why-it-will-not-be-held-accountable/ https://systemicjustice.org/article/facebook-and-genocide-ho... In the case of the Silk Road of course, it's much worse, since the platform specifically existed to facilitate illegal behaviour. I couldn't care less about the drug dealing aspect per say, but absolutely facilitating sale in these quantities with no protection from outright poisoning from contaminants is immoral. But he also sold weapons via 'the armory' https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/not-ready-silk-roads-the-armory-terminated-1344277092 https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/not-ready-silk-roads-the... He also directly attempted to have someone murdered, which is a very serious crime in any country. The guy is not a hero. - https://www.wired.com/2015/02/read-transcript-silk-roads-boss-ordering-5-assassinations/ https://www.wired.com/2015/02/read-transcript-silk-roads-bos...
- golly_ned 2y agoI didn’t say Zuck isn’t responsible for the ills of his platform. I said DPR is no more responsible than Zuck or Spiegel. That is, that there’s a distinction between facilitating a drug deal and dealing drugs, just as there is a distinction from managing a communication platform that promotes hate speech and violence. That distinction wasn’t recognized, and I called attention to it. And also to the fact that Eva Spiegel very strangely isn’t catching any shit whatsoever for knowingly running the nation’s most prolific child porn brokerage platform, with a product tailor-made to do so.
- cortesoft 2y agoPeople have died from things bought on Amazon, too Also, Ross wasn't selling those things. He was just operating a market where other people sold things.
- loeg 2y agoPeople regularly die from drinking alcohol. Should liquor store owners be doing life in prison? (And why are Australians special?)
- mrcwinn 2y agoThe law recognizes that a bottle of beer generally cannot be used to murder someone else.
- rpmisms 2y agoBut it easily can. Break the end off and poke.
- bogota 2y agoMaybe spend a little less time reading propaganda.
- butterlesstoast 2y agoWait… you’ve clearly never used The Silk Road, have you?
- theodric 2y agoYou don't have to answer that question.
- tomjen3 2y agoPeople die when they take drugs all the time, whether brought online or not. But the war on some drugs are a failure, but also impossible to change due to stupid people, so Silk Road and crypto was a means to work around this, while lowering crime and turning it into an iterated prisoners dilemma so that quality etc could stay high.
- Jensson 2y agoManslaughter is at most 10 years, he served 12 years, I feel its fair to release him now.
- throwawaythekey 2y agoAs an Australian who had friends who bought product on silk road my understanding was: 1) It's safer to buy something online and have it mailed to your house than go pick it up from some shady dude. 2) On the street you would often get duds or spiked product, online reputations were built up over time and important to be maintained (think uber/ebay stars). Overall silk road probably increased the amount of drug activity but made each incident safer. Not sure what the overall impact would be.
- danw1979 2y agoAn 18 year old lad from my village, who had just started a job programming, bought a drug from an online “pharmacy” and it turned out to be spiked with a synthetic opioid (N-pyrrolidino-etonitazene) and he died in his sleep at home, alone. On your point about spiked products - it’s clearly a problem for online illegal drugs as well as those bought on the street. The problem is, you don’t get to leave a bad review if you’re dead.
- aleign 2y ago1/5 stars. Quick and discreet delivery. Minus 4 stars because it killed me.
- kybernetyk 2y agoSmart people can differentiate between a market place and the sellers themselves.
- pjc50 2y agoThis is why people only blame the DZOQBX brands that sell on Amazon for review fraud and not Amazon themselves, who are blamelessly hosting all those fraudulent sellers.
- etc-hosts 2y agoI totally blame Amazon!
- chrishare 2y agoHe tried to have people murdered for his own benefit.
- kybernetyk 2y agoWell, he should have get sentenced for that then. And not for running a neutral market place.
- zanek 2y agoSilk Road was a neutral marketplace ? What kind of drugs are you on ? Or are you just completely not aware of what happened Ross willingly sold weapons, body parts, etc on it. He personally ok'ed the sale of these things (text proof from the prosecution)
- tene80i 2y agoDo these smart people you speak of think things that are different are entirely unrelated?
- kypro 2y agoI think there is some difference between running a marketplace which you intend for people to sell products legally on, and a marketplace which you intend and know people will sell products illegally on. Whether I agree with it or not, the law often recognises differences like this. It's not illegal to lie, but it is illegal to lie in the aid a murder. The lier themselves might not be a murderer, but the lier is knowingly facilitating murder. Ulbricht was knowingly facilitating crime in the case, and sometimes this crime would result in the deaths of people. And despite knowing all this he took no action to address it. Perhaps your point was he just didn't deserve the sentence he receive, which is fair, but he clearly did something that most people would consider very wrong. I also wonder how people would feel if Silkroad was associated more with the trading of humans, CSAM, biological weapons or more serious things rather than just drugs. I doubt the "he's just running a marketplace" reasoning would hold in most people's eyes then.
- nurumaik 2y agoIdk about silk road, but hydra (russian online marketplace) was the best thing that happened to russia drug market. It had very good reputation system and even labs that did random testing of drugs being sold Existence of big marketplaces definitely lower chances of people dying from drugs
- suddenlybananas 2y agoYou have to understand that half of the people here are libertarians who never grew out of their teenage philosophy.
- gosub100 2y agoDid you just make a "think of the children" argument? Teens are well known to engage in risk taking. Why not prosecute the parents?
- shawabawa3 2y ago> Multiple teenagers (one in Australia) died from the drugs distributed on Silk Road more or less than those who bought drugs from street dealers? could it not be possible the silk road saved the lives of many more teenagers who would have died from street drugs otherwise?
- gizmo 2y agoI don't think those types of hypotheticals are taken very seriously in court rooms. One, they are effectively unfalsifiable, because it's a about harm that could have happened but didn't. Two, they can be applied universally. Any action might have prevented a catastrophe, after all. Courts persecute based on laws broken and harm done. Ironically our justice system sometimes does persecute based on hypotheticals. For example persecution for driving recklessly, which is inconsistent with the principle above.
- knodi 2y agodrugs is one part, but silkroad facilitated more than drug, guns, fake documents, stolen data, money laundering, fake currency, contract killers... the list goes on.
- loeg 2y agoAre you confusing SR with other darknet markets? SR explicitly banned most of these things (guns, fake currency, stolen data, contract killers). Yes, fake documents were allowed.
- yieldcrv 2y agoThe government should have investigated the people that listed and sourced the drugs this isn't controversial to say, the governments just go for the laziest intermediary lately but there is the choice of doing actual investigations for time tested crimes. those dealers just went to other darknet markets, which are far far bigger than Silk Road ever was
- slashdev 2y agoPlus he tried to hire a hitman to kill someone. Ten years sentence seems a little light for that alone.
- goosejuice 2y agoColtec, Sterigenics, UCC/UCIL, DuPont, Bayer-Monsanto, Dow, Mallinckrodt, Imperial Sugar, BP, A.A.R. Contractors, W.R. Grace, PG&E, Perdue Pharma. So much corporate/gov negligence leads to permanent environment damage, cancer, death. In most cases it's a slap on the wrist. Maybe some exist, but I'm having a hard time finding an example. Show me one executive that served this kind of jail time despite direct links to the deaths of multiple individuals and evidence of negligence leading to those deaths. You can certainly make an argument that the sentencing was warranted but there's a whole lot of history of being sentenced, if at all, to far less for far more egregious crimes.