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I thought that starting my story in media res would make for a better dramatic effect, but it seems I overestimated my audience and went a little too heavy on t

I thought that starting my story in media res would make for a better dramatic effect, but it seems I overestimated my audience and went a little too heavy on the narrative ellipsis.

sdwr 2y ago
Boo! Don't blame the audience! > Then Ulbricht walked into the public library and sat down at the table directly in front of me, and suddenly as I was reading I could look up and see exactly the chair he had been in, where the plainclothes police had positioned themselves, how they had arranged a distraction. Alternately: > Ulbricht had walked into the public library gives the game away. If you still want to play around a bit: > I could see where Ulbricht walked into the public library. The table he sat at. I looked up and saw where the plainclothes police had positioned themselves, how they had arranged a distraction. That way you are leaving some ambiguity, but are not directly lying with the tenses.
- pineaux 2y ago
  Well, a lot of times the audience is to blame... There are many people that are stupid, aren't trained in style figures of writing or just not trained in reading in a way that allows for complex conceptual frameworks. It also happens in software: someone writes great code, it's very complex and some people don't understand it and blame the author of writing unreadable code. Its easy to call something unreadable if you don't understand what it's saying. Let me bring it differently: it takes two to tango. I found his story interesting and engaging. Let me bring it in another way: Sometimes the joke is brilliant, but the audience just doesn't understand it. It's not a bad joke or a bad comedian. It's a bad audience. To go into the meat of this: he is imagining it while reading in the same location as the incident happened. This is a style of writing. It's definitely not wrong.
  - oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
    To paraphrase the asshole quote: "if one person misunderstands you, that's their fault; if everyone does, it's yours". The same goes for your comedian analogy: sure, you can tell a brilliant joke in French to a Chinese audience, but why?
Dylan16807 2y ago
I think you could have told it as experiencing the events without making your post confusing, but you'd have to redo your first paragraph. Your first paragraph is external, meta, and places his arrest in your past, which throws off the effect when that suddenly changes in the next sentence. It's not the audience's fault that that is hard to parse.
kurisufag 2y ago
I enjoyed it, personally.
ipaddr 2y ago
I found it interesting and could visualize you as you were visualizing it while reading. The only part that made me go back was I thought he sat down to your table until I reread you could see the table he sat down at years ago.
homebrewer 2y ago
> I overestimated my audience How many languages do you speak? A large part of this site speaks at least two, and usually English is not the first one of them.
vasco 2y ago
I've seen this type of thing recently and also have been told some comments were "obviously" meaning something else. I think people must've stopped reading books and lost interpretation skills.
TeMPOraL 2y ago
Can you form vivid mental images in your head? Many of us can't. Personally, for nearly three decades I thought the ability to vividly experience a book this way was just some overused and extremely exaggerated metaphor - and then I discovered aphantasia is a thing, and I score close to top of its severity scale. So perhaps it's less about your starting point, and more about describing a frame of mind some in the audience don't have, and can't relate to. Curiously, I don't recall ever seeing this particular style of writing before, in any of the books I ever read.
oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
> it seems I overestimated my audience I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, somebody who aspires to be a better writer. But, no, this clarifies that you're just pretentious.

I thought that starting my story in media res would make for a better dramatic effect, but it seems I overestimated my audience and went a little too heavy on the narrative ellipsis.

sdwr 2y ago

Boo! Don't blame the audience! > Then Ulbricht walked into the public library and sat down at the table directly in front of me, and suddenly as I was reading I could look up and see exactly the chair he had been in, where the plainclothes police had positioned themselves, how they had arranged a distraction. Alternately: > Ulbricht had walked into the public library gives the game away. If you still want to play around a bit: > I could see where Ulbricht walked into the public library. The table he sat at. I looked up and saw where the plainclothes police had positioned themselves, how they had arranged a distraction. That way you are leaving some ambiguity, but are not directly lying with the tenses.

pineaux 2y ago
Well, a lot of times the audience is to blame... There are many people that are stupid, aren't trained in style figures of writing or just not trained in reading in a way that allows for complex conceptual frameworks. It also happens in software: someone writes great code, it's very complex and some people don't understand it and blame the author of writing unreadable code. Its easy to call something unreadable if you don't understand what it's saying. Let me bring it differently: it takes two to tango. I found his story interesting and engaging. Let me bring it in another way: Sometimes the joke is brilliant, but the audience just doesn't understand it. It's not a bad joke or a bad comedian. It's a bad audience. To go into the meat of this: he is imagining it while reading in the same location as the incident happened. This is a style of writing. It's definitely not wrong.
- oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
  To paraphrase the asshole quote: "if one person misunderstands you, that's their fault; if everyone does, it's yours". The same goes for your comedian analogy: sure, you can tell a brilliant joke in French to a Chinese audience, but why?

Dylan16807 2y ago

I think you could have told it as experiencing the events without making your post confusing, but you'd have to redo your first paragraph. Your first paragraph is external, meta, and places his arrest in your past, which throws off the effect when that suddenly changes in the next sentence. It's not the audience's fault that that is hard to parse.

kurisufag 2y ago

I enjoyed it, personally.

ipaddr 2y ago

I found it interesting and could visualize you as you were visualizing it while reading. The only part that made me go back was I thought he sat down to your table until I reread you could see the table he sat down at years ago.

homebrewer 2y ago

> I overestimated my audience How many languages do you speak? A large part of this site speaks at least two, and usually English is not the first one of them.

vasco 2y ago

I've seen this type of thing recently and also have been told some comments were "obviously" meaning something else. I think people must've stopped reading books and lost interpretation skills.

TeMPOraL 2y ago

Can you form vivid mental images in your head? Many of us can't. Personally, for nearly three decades I thought the ability to vividly experience a book this way was just some overused and extremely exaggerated metaphor - and then I discovered aphantasia is a thing, and I score close to top of its severity scale. So perhaps it's less about your starting point, and more about describing a frame of mind some in the audience don't have, and can't relate to. Curiously, I don't recall ever seeing this particular style of writing before, in any of the books I ever read.

oneeyedpigeon 2y ago

> it seems I overestimated my audience I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, somebody who aspires to be a better writer. But, no, this clarifies that you're just pretentious.