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Well, I think that justice has been served. The feds' prosecution of Ulbricht was the epitome of throwing the book at someone to make an example, when the gover
by steve_avery 2y ago
Well, I think that justice has been served. The feds' prosecution of Ulbricht was the epitome of throwing the book at someone to make an example, when the government's case was pretty flawed, in my opinion. 10 years is enough time to pay the debt of running the silk road.
I am glad that Ulbricht has been pardoned and I feel like a small iota of justice has been returned to the world with this action.
- fsckboy 2y agowasn't there evidence of hiring a hitman to commit a murder in furtherance of the Silk Road? that's not part of "the debt of running the silk road"
- alt187 2y agoThe hitman was a conman for a murder on a fictitious person. While he fully believed he was committing a real assassination, you can't convict people for killing imaginary people.
- croes 2y agoThis doesn’t sound like an imaginary person https://www.vice.com/en/article/murdered-silk-road-employee-sentenced-to-time-served/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/murdered-silk-road-employee-...
- px43 2y agoI'm not convinced that you looked at the article you linked. > That’s because he was the Silk Road employee implicated in an elaborate, and fake, murder-for-hire scheme, created in part by a corrupt Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agent.
- croes 2y agoThe murder was fake not the murder order. >DPR contacted one of his trusted drug dealer contacts, Nob, and asked him to kill Green for $40,000. Shortly after, Nob sent DPR photos of Green covered in Campbell’s Chicken & Stars soup and victim of an apparent asphyxiation, to prove the murder had been carried out. > Unbeknown to DPR, Nob was no drug dealer. In fact, Nob was Carl Mark Force IV, the very same DEA agent who had arrested Green.
- alt187 2y agoThere weee two murder for hire. Look up the story wirh FriendlyChemist.
- croes 2y agoBut does it matter if he ordered a real murder? The trial for the real one was scrapped because of his other convictions.
- alt187 2y agoBoth were fake. One was a con by the DEA and the other one a con by a single guy posing as executioner, victim and a slew of other colorful characters.
- croes 2y agoThe DEA murder was fake but not his order of the murder. The man just didn’t die because the killer was a DEA agent in reality. That’s still a felony.
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- wahnfrieden 2y agoYou can convict for murder for hire in that circumstance.
- lionkor 2y agoYes but he did get scammed as that wasn't a real hitman
- philomath_mn 2y agoIntent matters!! For all he knew, Ulbricht had killed those guys and he was fine with that
- butlike 2y agoIf intent matters, why can't people be tried for crimes before they commit them?
- philomath_mn 2y agoHe took paid someone money (a concrete action) with the intent to have someone murdered. This isn’t rocket science
- etc-hosts 2y agoPeople are usually jailed for hiring contract killers, even if the contract killer happens to be a FBI informant and the murder does not end up getting done.
- zik 2y agoThere wasn't any evidence that actually happened. It appears that it may have been fabricated by the same investigators that later robbed him of some millions of dollars worth of bitcoin. Then when it went to trial the murder-for-hire charges were completely dropped due to lack of evidence. He was convicted of: 1. Conspiracy to traffic narcotics 2. Continuing Criminal Enterprise (CCE) (sometimes referred to as the “kingpin” charge) 3. Computer Hacking Conspiracy 4. Conspiracy to Traffic in Fraudulent Identity Documents 5. Money Laundering Conspiracy
- etc-hosts 2y agoI think they were dropped because in 1 out of the 6 cases, the investigation was tainted because the associated government agents committed their own crimes, and also maybe but I can't prove it everyone thought that prosecuting someone who has been sentenced to 2 life sentences + 40 years is a waste of time.
- sebzim4500 2y agoWasn't that charge dropped though?
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- zanek 2y agoI feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading the comments on this thread. Multiple teenagers (one in Australia) died from the drugs distributed on Silk Road. Ross was ok with selling grenades, body parts, etc on there. But everyone is saying he served his time ???
- buckle8017 2y agoBody parts? huh
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- golly_ned 2y agoHe wasn't dealing them. He's not exactly culpable for the effects of his platform any more than Zuckerberg is responsible for mass hate speech coordinated by third-world dictators or Evan Spiegel for facilitating millions of nude images of children and teenagers.
- dbspin 2y agoHard disagree - Zuckerberg absolutely is responsible for inadequately policing calls for genocide on his platform. Just as every social network is responsible for policing child abuse materials. Should they be punished for such content being uploaded? Of course not. They should face punishment where their wilful failure to police such content results in active harm. Facebook's utterly irresponsible behaviour in Myanmar is a great example - https://systemicjustice.org/article/facebook-and-genocide-how-facebook-contributed-to-genocide-in-myanmar-and-why-it-will-not-be-held-accountable/ https://systemicjustice.org/article/facebook-and-genocide-ho... In the case of the Silk Road of course, it's much worse, since the platform specifically existed to facilitate illegal behaviour. I couldn't care less about the drug dealing aspect per say, but absolutely facilitating sale in these quantities with no protection from outright poisoning from contaminants is immoral. But he also sold weapons via 'the armory' https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/not-ready-silk-roads-the-armory-terminated-1344277092 https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/not-ready-silk-roads-the... He also directly attempted to have someone murdered, which is a very serious crime in any country. The guy is not a hero. - https://www.wired.com/2015/02/read-transcript-silk-roads-boss-ordering-5-assassinations/ https://www.wired.com/2015/02/read-transcript-silk-roads-bos...
- tomn 2y agoReal justice would be changing the laws and sentencing guidance (through a democratically legitimate process), and re-evaluating the sentences of everyone affected. Whatever you think about the outcome in this case, it is the moral equivalent of vigilante justice. It is unfair to others convicted under the same regime, who don't happen to be libertarian icons who can be freed in exchange for a few grubby votes.