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Doesn't it go directly against EU common market rules? I mean, I can start a company in Germany with the sole purpose to buy chips and sell them to a Polish com

Doesn't it go directly against EU common market rules? I mean, I can start a company in Germany with the sole purpose to buy chips and sell them to a Polish company. If EU interferes that would be breaking the main purpose of it - a common market and free movement of people and goods. It's a slap towards EU from Biden's admin. Thankfully as of today they are gone. Let's hope Trump's administration presents a more EU friendly view on this issue.

arlort 2y ago
> Let's hope Trump's administration presents a more EU friendly view on this issue. Is this sarcasm?
- nxm 2y ago
  Trump's been a staunch supporter of Poland and has granted Visa waivers for entry into the US for its citizens. Trump, in my view, doesn't see EU as enemy but an ally that's been taking advantage of the US especially on trade and defense spending. Some of the gripes, which are valid: - U.S. provides bulk of the defense for NATO at the moment - EU currently imposes a 10 percent tariff on US cars
  - qwytw 2y ago
    > EU currently imposes a 10 percent tariff on US cars And it's 45% on Chinese EVs. 10% isn't that high and it's not like there is a lot of demand for American cars in Europe anyway (American companies besides Tesla hardly produces any cars these days anyway, unless you count trucks)
  - min8888 2y ago
    It's mostly defence against those pissed of by the US though, so seems fair.
dfgtyu65r 2y ago
> Let's hope Trump's administration presents a more EU friendly view on this issue. Is that likely?
- bluecalm 2y ago
  Previous Trump's admin was more friendly than Obama's/Biden's towards Poland. For example they removed need to apply for a visa to visit; the process to get those was time consuming and frankly humiliating. Another thing is that Trump's insistence on increase military spending for EU countries is also in line with Polish foreign policy so overall there is a chance I guess. I mean I don't expect Poland being anywhere high on priority list but we already got slapped by Biden's admin so it can only get better.
realusername 2y ago
I also expect it to fail, there's no way you can differentiate EU countries with the common market, there's no customs anyways.
- krab 2y ago
  The thing is the USA can target the individual companies selling goods outside of the designated countries. It would be hard to monitor and enforce but the mechanism is - if you'd like to do any business with the US, you have to play by their rules.
  - tmnvdb 2y ago
    You can just put the datacentre in Germany or the Netherlands and use it in Poland.
    - krab 2y ago
      Or in UK, or in the US (latency doesn't matter that much in case of LLMs). That would all be in line with the policy that restricted physical movement of these chips.
qwytw 2y ago
> with the sole purpose to buy chips and sell them to a Polish company You can. Good luck getting Nvidia/etc. to sell them to you though.

arlort 2y ago

> Let's hope Trump's administration presents a more EU friendly view on this issue. Is this sarcasm?

nxm 2y ago
Trump's been a staunch supporter of Poland and has granted Visa waivers for entry into the US for its citizens. Trump, in my view, doesn't see EU as enemy but an ally that's been taking advantage of the US especially on trade and defense spending. Some of the gripes, which are valid: - U.S. provides bulk of the defense for NATO at the moment - EU currently imposes a 10 percent tariff on US cars
- qwytw 2y ago
  > EU currently imposes a 10 percent tariff on US cars And it's 45% on Chinese EVs. 10% isn't that high and it's not like there is a lot of demand for American cars in Europe anyway (American companies besides Tesla hardly produces any cars these days anyway, unless you count trucks)
- min8888 2y ago
  It's mostly defence against those pissed of by the US though, so seems fair.

dfgtyu65r 2y ago

> Let's hope Trump's administration presents a more EU friendly view on this issue. Is that likely?

bluecalm 2y ago
Previous Trump's admin was more friendly than Obama's/Biden's towards Poland. For example they removed need to apply for a visa to visit; the process to get those was time consuming and frankly humiliating. Another thing is that Trump's insistence on increase military spending for EU countries is also in line with Polish foreign policy so overall there is a chance I guess. I mean I don't expect Poland being anywhere high on priority list but we already got slapped by Biden's admin so it can only get better.

realusername 2y ago

I also expect it to fail, there's no way you can differentiate EU countries with the common market, there's no customs anyways.

krab 2y ago
The thing is the USA can target the individual companies selling goods outside of the designated countries. It would be hard to monitor and enforce but the mechanism is - if you'd like to do any business with the US, you have to play by their rules.
- tmnvdb 2y ago
  You can just put the datacentre in Germany or the Netherlands and use it in Poland.
  - krab 2y ago
    Or in UK, or in the US (latency doesn't matter that much in case of LLMs). That would all be in line with the policy that restricted physical movement of these chips.

qwytw 2y ago

> with the sole purpose to buy chips and sell them to a Polish company You can. Good luck getting Nvidia/etc. to sell them to you though.