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#fuckbiden works, #fucktrump gets censored. They better have a good explanation for why this is a bug.
by argsnd 2y ago
#fuckbiden works, #fucktrump gets censored. They better have a good explanation for why this is a bug.
- tmountain 2y agoThey don't need explanations. America signed up for this. Now, everyone is just along for the ride.
- osmsucks 2y ago"Everyone" worldwide? The rest of the world didn't sign up for this.
- pjc50 2y agoI suppose we did when signing up to accounts on a US-based site. It's long been a problem that the US has de facto global jurisdiction of the internet.
- nejsjsjsbsb 2y agoHoping ROTW can make US a little bit less relevant. More non-US startup unicorns. Fund the WHO, UN etc. Surely 8 within billion people we can so it?
- baq 2y agoIn a way they did. Europe outsourced their defense to the US, energy to Russia and manufacturing to China, now getting <censored> by all three, rather predictably.
- glimmung 2y agoWe also outsourced our social media. That has to change - it's literally not safe. There is a lot of witless verbiage about the "town square", but precious little acknowledgement of the obvious fact that every town has its OWN square, and that's the point. For the last decade my feeds have been polluted by "content" about Brexit and Trump, almost all of which has been noise/distraction/propaganda. I'm sick to the back teeth of it, and it's time to make it stop.
- Wickedflickr 2y agoI truly believe the Fediverse is a viable solution. I've found Lemmy to be an extremely viable alternative to Reddit. The fediverse, more than any other centralized solution, seems equipped to avoid the hellish pitfalls that profit-motive behemoths seemingly must sink into. There is no monetization, corporate decisions, manipulative algorithms; just self-hosted open source instances as far as the eye can see. Certainly there are rough edges and a perceptible decrease in dopamine from using them, but surely that's worth toughing out as they shape up if it means stopping the unfathomable destruction of society that we're experiencing in real time from big tech? In Manufacturing Consent, Noam Chomsky makes a powerful argument that independent, citizen owned media is of critical importance if we're to pull society to a better, more collaborative place. It doesn't get more 'citizen owned' than a web of interconnected self-hosted servers.
- glimmung 2y agoI agree. As well as the technical merits, it seems to me to be a better match for natural human interaction. Your point about citizen-owned media is well made - in the US we seem to be seeing the near-total collapse of integrity in commercial media - on the one hand it is dismaying to watch, on the other it is as clear a call to arms as we could wish for. It's been good to see Bluesky up its video game in response to the TikTok nonsense. I'd like to think that the Fediverse could evolve to meet the expectations of people fleeing Facebook, Twitter & co, but it's not there yet. Those of us who are highly motivated (and I am, after recent events!) will make do, but I think it needs to be easier in order to get the critical mass required.
- nolok 2y agoI'm not sure if I'm more disappointed in you acting like "rest of the world" means europe only, or by you thinking europe is a unified identical blob. My country of france neither delegated its defense to the US nor its energy to Russia, for exemple.
- baq 2y agoActually wanted to highlight France as one country which correctly identified the threat of US going batshit crazy soon after WW2 and positioned accordingly, but didn't want to go into nuance on this particular thread. Now that it's flagged, we can agree in peace.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> France as one country which correctly identified the threat of US going batshit crazy soon after WW2 This was equal part pragmatic foreign policy and a desire by the French elite to hold onto their colonies, an institution strongly opposed by the United States since around WWI.
- xnorswap 2y agoWe share the blame as we spent 80 years relying on the crutch of US military support and now we struggle to see how we can stand up on our own without the crutch. The next decade will test the resolve of other liberal democracies to survive this challenge. Republics fall, progress isn't linear. Even c. 2000 years ago people were writing about how democracy falls to tyranny. The world is a lot more global now, but the Roman Republic would also have seemed rather "global" too, yet was replaced by the Roman Empire not long after Cicero was writing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_cycle_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_cycle_theory
- nolok 2y ago> The rest of the world didn't sign up for this. He didn't say they did, he said America did, and everyone is along for the ride. But in a way we did, by letting US (or China) control all our social medias.
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- r00fus 2y agoApparently ROW = America's colonies (in the eyes of Meta), so maybe kind of yeah.
- ta8645 2y agoThe question for the people who find this outrageous, why didn't you find the opposite situation just as outrageous? For years, liberals have been tacitly and often explicitly endorsing censorious behavior of Twitter, Meta and others as not only legitimate, but desirable. And this outcome is exactly why that was a dangerous position to embrace. Because, soon enough, someone you don't agree with will come into power. We need to denounce censorship always, _especially_ when we disagree with those being censored.
- timeon 2y agoYou are painting it with really broad brush. Was Meta censoring #Republican before?
- NeutralForest 2y agoLet's not "both sides" this issue.
- pjc50 2y agoThere's something to this argument, but a truly uncensored site 4chan style would never have been bigger than that site. The platforms have to censor CSAM; commercially, they end up having to censor slurs and abuse down to a level which the users and advertisers find acceptable. (also there's a lot of false equivalence going on here - 'democrat' isn't a slur!)
- sirsinsalot 2y agoThe issue isn't necessarily that all censorship is "bad", it's that it is being applied asymmetrically to benefit a political party, blatantly.
- rofo1 2y agoYes and this is the core problem. I have no dog in this fight and I want to see all ideas surface. Then people will be able to judge for themselves. I do not want any kind of filtration by either communists or conservatives.
- FL1ppY 2y ago
- lukan 2y agoSo what happens if they don't give that explanation to you? I mean, it is kind of obvious, Trump is now in power and Zuckerberg does not like problems. Or would you rather have a technical scapegoat explanation, that some intern messed up?
- WhereIsTheTruth 2y agothis is called "controlled opposition" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda
- zero0529 2y agoI get results on #fucktrump. Don’t know what you’re talking about. (In EU, however #democrat is censored)
- Aeolun 2y agoThat can’t possibly be a bug…
- _DeadFred_ 2y agoThey created two segregated lists on purpose. They implemented a change that only affected one list. They accidentally had a bug that exposed that they were trying to do something. They question now is what were they originally trying to accomplish?
- formerly_proven 2y agoSomeone fat-fingered the "reach factor penalty for dem terms" and typed 01 instead of 0.1
- underseacables 2y agoThis really just goes back to the fact that it's a private net work and they can do what they want. Even if it is censored, what can you do about?
- 93po 2y agomy interesting anecdote from chatgpt testing a year or two ago, whenever it started getting popular, was that it would give me tips on assassinating trump but not biden disclosure: i was not planning on this in any way, it was only for testing purposes
- mardifoufs 2y agoIt's not censoring, it's a private corporation and they can do whatever they want with their platform. They just want that type of speech on their platform, but you can build your own social media if you want to :)
- slowmovintarget 2y agoI doubt it's a bug. I do think it's stupidity.