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I think you’re giving too much "credit" to Musk, as if he orchestrated this to shift the Overton window. Musk was recently criticized on Twitter for not priorit
by Rzor 2y ago
I think you’re giving too much "credit" to Musk, as if he orchestrated this to shift the Overton window. Musk was recently criticized on Twitter for not prioritizing American workers (the H1B visa thing), and now he’s trying to signal to some of those people that he’s actually "on their side." In short, I believe this is all about Musk’s insecurities and his need for validation.
That said, if this is true, it puzzles me that he would focus only on the more radical individuals rather than making a broader, more inclusive gesture to Americans.
- franktankbank 2y agoWay to equate people who want H-1B fraud reined in to nazis. Why would I a normal engineer who has bad experience working with infosys hacks be appreciative of a nazi salute?
- Rzor 2y agoI never said that. I don’t think they are all Nazis, although some are, while others are sympathetic or simply understand that Musk is moving in the right direction (in a way that doesn’t make him a Nazi because he’s just "joking"). Do I have to draw a Venn diagram of all possible cases? Have you seen replies to Musk lately? The people who criticized Musk—a particular subset of them—are the ones Musk was signaling to, in his own misguided way. Or maybe he was signaling to all of them, and this is how he thinks he can win them by throwing a bone. There’s some kayfabe here. To his audience, or at least some of them, he can do this without being a Nazi, much like how Trump can promise to defend America abroad, but take back Panama or Greenland, or whatever (even though he says he doesn’t actually like or want war), or how Christian he is. It’s just theatrics in a certain direction. For those who care, it’s there; for others, it’s nothing, and they just rationalize it as some kind of performance, but still remain loyal. My point is that this is how Musk thought he could win some people back, perhaps impulsively—not as a ploy to shift public perception or signal an incoming Fourth Reich. This is obviously bad and it just stains Musk's increasingly poor reputation even more.
- freejazz 2y ago>I never said that. It's the inevitable result of you having politically triangulated things.
- mullingitover 2y agoI don’t think people who want H1B reform are closet Nazis. What I would believe is that Musk is a halfheartedly closeted nazi. Why? Because he literally gave full support to a German neo-Nazi party. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
- Rzor 2y ago>I don’t think people who want H1B reform are closet Nazis. Me neither, but I’m not going to extend this discussion because you’re the second person strawmanning what I said.
- aredox 2y agoAnd restoring neo-nazi accounts, and retweeting neo-nazi content... Just search "Musk Nazi" on this very website (and notice how many threads are flagged like this one).
- boudin 2y agoThis is not an isolated move though. People he associates with (afd, farrage, meloni) revolve around nazism and fascism. Trump language as well is (mass deportation, invasion, attacks on the justice system, etc...). This is just part of his political strategy. My interpretation is that he sees any opinion that goes against his personal interests as a personal attacks and something he has to shut down to conduct his businesses which naturally leads towards this behaviour and the far right spheres. I don't think this is a weird response to something that happened on twitter, this is just who he is.