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Elon Musk appears to make back-to-back fascist salutes at inauguration rally
- UncleOxidant 2y agoThe moderators don't seem to want this to show up on HN. A previous attempt at posting it was removed in short order.
- mannewalis 2y agoHmmm who owns Hacker News?
- MisterTea 2y agoMaster Blaster
- verdverm 2y agoIt's HN users flagging this story all day, not the mods
- basementcat 2y agoWonder why
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoBecause we can tell already that it's going to lead to a discussion that is full of zealotry (on all sides) rather than a thoughtful discussion.
- franktankbank 2y ago[flagged]
- morkalork 2y agoDon't look up?
- mupuff1234 2y agoAh, maybe some topics are kinda worth being a zealot about...
- verdverm 2y agozealots rarely change minds, which I suspect is what you really want to happen
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- pvg 2y agoBecause HN isn't, for the most part, a current events messageboard.
- jeromegv 2y agoAnd mods could revert the flag..
- verdverm 2y ago[flagged]
- leotravis10 2y agoYep, I'm totally not surprised on this. I expect even more censorship on this site for the next few years (especially criticism) as even the mods and higher ups are kneeling down on this administration just a few hours into it. Not a good look.
- dang 2y agoModerators didn't touch this. Users flagged it. That's nearly always the case when you see [flagged] on a submission, btw. This is in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html. (It's a bit more complex with comments, but also the majority of [flagged] comments are flagged by users, not mods.)
- Tadpole9181 2y agoWell... can you remove the flag, please? Why in the world are we not supposed to be talking about one of the most influential, powerful people - a tech icon of all things - in all of humanity's history doing a Nazi salute on stage to thunderous applause? It seems entirely disingenuous to come into this thread and pretend you are entirely separated from the flagging of this post when you are actively supporting it!
- archagon 2y agoAlso, I’m pretty sure dang has manually unflagged political topics in the past, though I don’t have a list handy.
- dang 2y agoThat's true. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=political%20overlap%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... has lots of explanation of how we approach this, and should also explain why the current story isn't one that we would turn off flags on.
- Xunjin 2y agoI'm sorry dang but there is no consistency at all in this decision making, but I do appreciate your work and think you should review why this is been flagged while other posts about "woke culture" were not as other users said in comments.
- ChrisArchitect 2y agoEarlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42772995 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42772995
- ClassyJacket 2y ago[flagged]
- gngoo 2y agoI also wave like Adolf Hitler saluting the crowd at a nazi rally. Must be Elon fan boys down voting this.
- defrost 2y agoThe threshold for concern here is when the crowd all wave back in unison ...
- aaomidi 2y agoLol
- mannewalis 2y agolol
- bdangubic 2y agolol
- mtmail 2y ago"shooting out his right arm on an upwards diagonal, fingers together and palm facing down." That would be the definition of a Nazi salute. No waving involved.
- MisterTea 2y agoPretty sure the GP is being sarcastic.
- jenniferCrawdad 2y agolol
- Deutschland314 2y agoI assumed the headline is stupid but nope the video is very fucked up Either he is the most ignorant, idiot who bought himself an election through his own propaganda platform and that was a 'normal' TX. Or he had a very fucked up mental moment doing a Nazi salute. Feel free to choose what you prefer though
- jarsin 2y agoWow
- hooloovoo_zoo 2y agoHe has been laying the groundwork to frame his relationship with Trump as something other than genuine for a while. His 'dark maga' will be framed as him dark knighting his causes, this salute will be framed as trolling etc etc.
- TooSmugToFail 2y ago[flagged]
- UncleOxidant 2y agoNerd Reich
- wumeow 2y agoYou too may be a big hero Once you've learned to count backwards to zero "In German, und Englisch, I know how to count down Und I'm learning Chinese!" says Wernher von Braun
- MisterTea 2y agoThe linked "back to back" video in the article has been removed. Someone posted a youtube in the other flagged HN entry: https://youtube.com/watch?v=joV-9FFoA3Q https://youtube.com/watch?v=joV-9FFoA3Q At first I figured the video would show him making some vague imitation people were overreacting to but no, full on mind blowing salute.
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- _xpbq 2y agoThe title is watering it down a bit. The video leaves no wiggle room and it should not have been met with applause.
- almog 2y agoHis choreography too suggests he has either a natural talent for being a Nazi or a lot of experience practicing it in front of a mirror. It's as much "Roman Salute" as Julius Caesar used to eat lettuce with croutons for a meal.
- waltercool 2y ago[flagged]
- celsoazevedo 2y agoYeah... and he did it twice: https://i.imgur.com/E4POKCK.gif https://i.imgur.com/E4POKCK.gif (mirror: https://files.catbox.moe/icky5m.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/icky5m.mp4 )
- waltercool 2y ago[flagged]
- dinkumthinkum 2y ago[flagged]
- Fricken 2y agoAs it turns out the US actually lost WW2. Well how about that?
- timeon 2y agoWW2 and Cold War.
- talldayo 2y agoWWII, sure. Cold War, fat chance - the USSR was defeated by the mujahideen and then succeeded by Yeltsin and a bald ape that killed 800,000 trained men to take 1/3rd of Ukraine.
- timeon 2y agoOk you are right. But lets see what current US administration is going to do.
- talldayo 2y agoPeace in Ukraine isn't contingent on US support. Their allegiance with America is one of the last things stopping them from attacking Russia's crude oil fleets and sending Russia's economic backbone into a suicide spiral: https://oec.world/profile/country/rus#yearly-trade https://oec.world/profile/country/rus#yearly-trade Truly, Donald Trump could decide tomorrow to refuse audience with Zelenskyy and only meet with Putin. Russia's treasury would be hemorrhaging within a week and the government would be paralyzed in the middle of an active invasion. That would be dangerous for America and NATO allies, but what does that concern a non-member like Ukraine after all? Russia has spent 30 years on life support. America and Ukraine simply disagree on how we pull the plug.
- michaelsshaw 2y agoWell the U.S. certainly isn't responsible for defeating the Germans. That honor belongs to the Soviets. As for the nukes, pretty much exactly what the Nazis would have done if they had gotten some.
- GeoAtreides 2y agoof course it's flagged can't discuss shit on HN
- scififan 2y agoThe name Elon comes from this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mars:_A_Technical_Tale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mars:_A_Technical_Tale Written by a former nazi paperclip scientist
- zxvkhkxvdvbdxz 2y agoNonsense. Elon is a hebrew name and occurs in the old testament (Book of Judges). You would have known that your statement is not fact had you read the article you linked, especially the section about the claim: > Interest in this novel increased in 2021 when people connected Elon, the Martian leader, to SpaceX founder, Elon Musk, suggesting that von Braun may have predicted Musk's space exploration ventures.
- wahnfrieden 2y agoHis father did say that he knew about the name used in the book when naming his child
- zxvkhkxvdvbdxz 2y agoThe book was published in 2006. > She named Elon after her American grandfather, John Elon Haldeman (born in Illinois). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maye_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maye_Musk
- 77pt77 2y agoThe book was published in 2006. That's decades after he was born. Any explanation for that or are you claiming Jungian levels of synchronicity?
- inrodos 2y agoThe book was written in 1949, so we might not need help from Jung here.
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- HaZeust 2y agoThis forum is too soft and not at all helping with the flow of information that, 6 hours into this administration, has already become evidently crucial to have for the next 4 years. Why is this flagged? Accurate title, accompanying video with clear-cut evidence, an open spirit of discussion - what are we doing here?
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- leotravis10 2y agoI expect even more censorship on this site for the next few years (especially criticism) as even the mods and higher ups are kneeling down on this administration just a few hours into it. Not a good look at all.
- cdrini 2y agoI will note that hacker news, unlike most sites, has a pretty well-defined set of criteria for what they're looking for, as defined on their guidelines page: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . They explicitly list politics as a reason why things might not be appropriate for this forum. Unlike, say, reddit, which has a bunch of subreddits for various topics, hacker news only has one feed. So it is naturally more restrictive about topic. I can see how reasonable folks can see this post as sort of grey area, but at the end of the day, the users of hacker news flagged this post, the moderator -- who I've historically found to do a fantastic and neutral job of monitoring -- believes it does not meet HN guidelines, so I think this just isn't the platform to discuss this news. And that doesn't seem unreasonable, either. I'm sure there are other places to discuss it online.
- HaZeust 2y agoI think it comes from a place of pre-emptive laziness. They don't even want to try to invite the spirit of discourse on a few controversial topics and verticals, because a few bad apples will make the moderators, well, moderate. I'm not buying it.
- mola 2y agoWhy is this flagged?
- bdangubic 2y agoyou think there will be a sane discussion here about it?
- mola 2y agoSo lock the comments. This is important. It's the most powerful man on earth doing the nazi salute on stage at the US president's inauguration party. He is the owner of several tech companies this is HN bread and butter. How on earth is this flagged
- leotravis10 2y agoNot surprised on this. I expect even more censorship on this site for the next few years (especially criticism) as even the mods and higher ups are kneeling down on this administration just a few hours into it.
- talldayo 2y agoThe selective enforcement is what fucked over moderation on this site. Somehow Ukraine is considered an apolitical topic but Gaza isn't. Posts about North Korean troops and Russian losses are okayed because that's a boogeyman our progressive world despises. But then we upvote posts about war crimes in Gaza and illegal border expansion in the Golan Heights and the standard flip-flops again. You've crossed an invisible line, it doesn't matter how civil you were. It has to be all or nothing. There is no apolitical discussion of modern technology, and this Trump/Musk ticket is going to show everything that's wrong with embracing such a fickle guideline. The worst part is, it's only going to contribute to HN's decline in civil digression and make perfectly intelligent people question why they use this site in the first place. We need this sort of discussion, otherwise people become complacent and tone-deaf like Elon.
- Webstir 2y ago[flagged]
- burgerrito 2y agoJust wanna say I can't understand Hacker News' stance on politics: Someone posts Paul Graham's post talking about "woke" ideology and mods/admins do nothing about it While this one stays flagged At least be consistent
- defrost 2y agoJust to be clear, there's one main mod (dang) and they don't flag submissions, that honour falls to regular users who've been here a year or three or more (whatever the time | point threshold is). Most of the users that can [flag] also have the option to [vouch]. If enough vouch the flag is reveresed (as far as I know).
- Philpax 2y agoYou can't vouch for posts, only comments.
- defrost 2y agoI have vouched for posts .. but it doesn't always appear as an option ... Addendum1: I haven't compiled a detailed cross referenced list of observations about HN .. but it's got a lot of little subtle quirks from custom coding .. I suspect there's a window for submission vouching that's only open to users with certain other privlege escalations, or perhaps a stochastic element throws that chance to a random few .. eg: I have no option to vouch for this flagged submission, but I have had that option on others. Addendum2: Jtsummers may well be right. There may also still be other odd little factors <shrug>.
- Jtsummers 2y agoYou can vouch for posts, but only once they're [dead]. [flagged] is not [dead] on its own, and so nothing can be done by users yet (other than maybe reaching out to the mod). If it acquires enough flags to become [dead], then those of us with enough karma could vouch for it. Note that the same thing is true for comments. Occasionally, but not often, you'll find a [flagged] comment that isn't [dead], you can't vouch for those either. Only once they become [dead] can they be vouched for.
- waltercool 2y ago[flagged]
- timeon 2y agoNice try. Maybe one who needs to read history is you because this was not Roman salute. "The Roman salute, also known as the Fascist salute, is a gesture in which the right arm is fully extended, facing forward, with palm down and fingers touching. In some versions, the arm is raised upward at an angle; in others, it is held out parallel to the ground. In contemporary times, the former is commonly considered a symbol of fascism that had been based on a custom popularly attributed to ancient Rome.[1] However, no Roman text gives this description, and the Roman works of art that display salutational gestures bear little resemblance to the modern so-called "Roman" salute." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute
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- tamaharbor 2y ago[flagged]
- waltercool 2y ago[flagged]
- penguin_booze 2y agoNow that's a new license I haven't heard of before.
- autumnstwilight 2y agoI also have Aspergers and I know it's a bad idea give a salute by sticking my arm out straight in public, particularly as a celebrity at a televised event.
- amai 2y agoYou can be a decent man and a Nazi. Then you are not intelligent. You can be an intelligent man and a Nazi. Then you are not decent. Or you can be an intelligent, decent man. Then you are not a Nazi.
- iJohnDoe 2y agoIt makes me worried when he is making the gesture and saying things like this. This is truly history in the making. “It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured,” Musk said. Similar past use by Hitler. “Only the Aryan can secure the future of civilization through his creative and organizing power.” https://efiretemple.com/analyzing-adolf-hitlers-use-of-the-term-aryan-a-collection-of-quotes-with-context-and-themes/ https://efiretemple.com/analyzing-adolf-hitlers-use-of-the-t...
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- amai 2y agoDoes anyone know a good ETF without Tesla stock?
- ZeroGravitas 2y agoHe also accompanied it with claiming: "the future of civilization is assured". Which feels like a call out to the great replacement theory. You know the famously anti-Semitic white nationalist one he publicly agreed with on Twitter just about a year ago and had to go on an apology tour to Auschwitz as a result and claimed he was naive about anti-Semitism. But, if you're not interested in the whole genocide thing, it also seems relevant that he was on stage welcoming a new US Administration that is actively working against his main business's stated mission: > Tesla's mission is to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy. To achieve our mission, we're building a world powered by solar, enabled by battery storage and transported by electric vehicles (EV).
- dinkumthinkum 2y ago[flagged]
- computerthings 2y agoIt is one if dozens of data points.
- gverrilla 2y ago'Sorry, you can't comment here.' is hn also doing the seig heil?
- sionisrecur 2y agoThe conclusion of this other article[0] seems spot on, whether it was on purpose or not, many Nazi sympathizers will feel emboldened by it. [0] https://newrepublic.com/post/190464/did-elon-musk-nazi-salute-trump-inauguration https://newrepublic.com/post/190464/did-elon-musk-nazi-salut...
- DesiLurker 2y agoI've been trying to recall & just did, this reminds me of the fuhrer scene from Dr Stangelove .. almost in the end! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so8NQficzZg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so8NQficzZg
- CYHSM 2y agoI guess its time to get rid of all Tesla stocks or anything else touched by Elon
- silexia 2y agoHave seen the photos showing Obama, Elizabeth Warren, and AOC making Nazi salute? You can catch anyone making any gesture with enough time and camera angles.