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I don't have insight into what Elon thinks, but there's just no reason to make that sort of sign regardless of the context or history ("giving my heart" or roma
by dekhn 2y ago
I don't have insight into what Elon thinks, but there's just no reason to make that sort of sign regardless of the context or history ("giving my heart" or roman or other salutes or whatever). Please don't attempt to downplay what was probably an intentional gesture, and if it wasn't intentional, simply shows how clueless he is.
I rarely comment on politics on HN but when folks start acting like Hitler, it's time to speak up and say no.
- impulser_ 2y ago[flagged]
- ceejayoz 2y agoAre you sure you're not playing down the gesture because you like the guy?
- impulser_ 2y ago[flagged]
- ceejayoz 2y agoIt's a little more than that... twice. https://youtube.com/watch?v=joV-9FFoA3Q https://youtube.com/watch?v=joV-9FFoA3Q
- impulser_ 2y ago[flagged]
- ceejayoz 2y agoGiven it's her left arm, no. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute > The salute is performed by extending the right arm from the shoulder into the air with a straightened hand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute > The Roman salute, also known as the Fascist salute, is a gesture in which the right arm is fully extended, facing forward, with palm down and fingers touching. Not knowing the most basic details of the gesture makes it hard to credit your "it's very different" message.
- llm_nerd 2y agoAnyone making a gesture of that sort is going to get an enormous amount of media. It was outrageously poorly considered to anyone with any knowledge of history, especially in such a venue and situation. Most people don't make gestures that can so easily be misunderstood as a sieg heil. Now add in Elon's many, many weird overlaps with white supremacy -- not to mention that we can't ignore the weird correlation with Musk, Sacks and Thiel all being outputs of apartheid South Africa, all three showing certain predilections -- most recently heralding a notorious far-right German party AfD, and it takes just incredibly gymnastics to pretend this was benign. That the obvious interpretation was, as the other person said, wink wink nudge nudge encouraged.
- impulser_ 2y ago[flagged]
- ceejayoz 2y ago“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
- computerthings 2y agoJust for the record, because it irked me and I wanted to refute it: the flagged comment said anyone with a knowledge of history would know this isn't a Hitler salute, because that's not done at an angle. And yes, I guess the "most pure" form is doing it frontally, but here is an image of Hitler doing the salute -- at an angle, from what I can tell. https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gettyimages-95602542.jpg https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gettyim... NSFW, I guess. actually, who wants to look at it even outside of work... but anyone who genuinely doubts that this could possibly be mistaken for a Hitler salute, do take a look.
- ceejayoz 2y agoAnd here's video: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1i6nylm/the_resemblance_is_uncanny/ https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1i6nylm/...
- palata 2y agoSoccer players have been in trouble for suggesting this gesture in a much, much, much more subtle way (keeping the arm down). Nobody can make the gesture Musk did, the way he did it, without realising what it is.
- timeon 2y agoThis is serious gaslighting.