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Trump incited an insurrection based on lies in 2020. He's on tape demanding a state election official 'find' the exact number of votes he needed to win. His app

Trump incited an insurrection based on lies in 2020. He's on tape demanding a state election official 'find' the exact number of votes he needed to win. His appointed judges have preemptively given him immunity from criminal prosecution. He routinely calls for physical violence against those who loudly disagree during his rallies. He has said he's willing to use the military against political opposition. He offers to deregulate (selling the health of the people) in exchange for campaign funds (which he spends like his own personal bank account). There has never been a president so openly corrupt and vitriolic in the US. Trump is the most willing and equipped to strike a fatal blow to Democracy. People have already marched against him. Now they rightly fear for their safety.

_heimdall 2y ago
> His appointed judges have preemptively given him immunity from criminal prosecution. I get your point here, though if I'm not mistaken they defined the boundary of what any president can be legally held accountable for while in office. It wasn't a blank check or a one-off rule only for Trump. > People have already marched against him. Now they rightly fear for their safety. Marching really isn't the answer if democracy truly is at stake, unfortunately. I very much dislike Trump and don't expect him to do well by our country, though I don't personally see enough to think he is actually going to tear down our democracy. Hopefully that's right and we don't get to the point of actually having to defend it.
- ModernMech 2y ago
  I’m really curious what kind of activity someone could exhibit that would cause you to believe they could end democracy. Genuinely. Because for me, it’s enough for someone to incite an insurrection, and to argue in front of the Supreme Court it should be legal for him to use the military to murder his political opponents. Why does that not read “wannabe dictator” to you? Because I gotta say, if you’re wrong and he wants to tear down our democracy, the time to defend it was the election. Now we just have to deal with the fallout.
  - squigz 2y ago
    Can you link a source on the "using the military to murder political opponents" thing?
    - paulryanrogers 2y ago
      “I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within,” Trump said. He added: “We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think they’re the big — and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen.” https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-suggests-hell-use-the-military-on-the-enemy-from-within-the-u-s-if-hes-reelected https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-suggests-hell-us...
      - ANewFormation 2y ago
        Do you understand what others (who may not agree with you) think of your arguments when you use extremely hyperbolic language to describe things that do not appear to justify such? The Boy Who Cried Wolf is an excellent tale I regularly read to my children. The moral is one of the utmost importance.
        lumost 2y ago
        What argument is being made by the parent? It’s a direct quote.
    - ModernMech 2y ago
      Trump argued in front of the Supreme Court that his notion of presidential immunity covers the right for the president to use Seal Team Six to assassinate his political rivals: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4398223-trump-team-argues-assassination-of-rivals-is-covered-by-presidential-immunity/ https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4398223-trump-t...
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_heimdall 2y ago

> His appointed judges have preemptively given him immunity from criminal prosecution. I get your point here, though if I'm not mistaken they defined the boundary of what any president can be legally held accountable for while in office. It wasn't a blank check or a one-off rule only for Trump. > People have already marched against him. Now they rightly fear for their safety. Marching really isn't the answer if democracy truly is at stake, unfortunately. I very much dislike Trump and don't expect him to do well by our country, though I don't personally see enough to think he is actually going to tear down our democracy. Hopefully that's right and we don't get to the point of actually having to defend it.

ModernMech 2y ago
I’m really curious what kind of activity someone could exhibit that would cause you to believe they could end democracy. Genuinely. Because for me, it’s enough for someone to incite an insurrection, and to argue in front of the Supreme Court it should be legal for him to use the military to murder his political opponents. Why does that not read “wannabe dictator” to you? Because I gotta say, if you’re wrong and he wants to tear down our democracy, the time to defend it was the election. Now we just have to deal with the fallout.
- squigz 2y ago
  Can you link a source on the "using the military to murder political opponents" thing?
  - paulryanrogers 2y ago
    “I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within,” Trump said. He added: “We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think they’re the big — and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen.” https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-suggests-hell-use-the-military-on-the-enemy-from-within-the-u-s-if-hes-reelected https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-suggests-hell-us...
    - ANewFormation 2y ago
      Do you understand what others (who may not agree with you) think of your arguments when you use extremely hyperbolic language to describe things that do not appear to justify such? The Boy Who Cried Wolf is an excellent tale I regularly read to my children. The moral is one of the utmost importance.
      - lumost 2y ago
        What argument is being made by the parent? It’s a direct quote.
  - ModernMech 2y ago
    Trump argued in front of the Supreme Court that his notion of presidential immunity covers the right for the president to use Seal Team Six to assassinate his political rivals: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4398223-trump-team-argues-assassination-of-rivals-is-covered-by-presidential-immunity/ https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4398223-trump-t...
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