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The supply chain for these machines is heavily dependent on the US and the Netherlands is heavily dependent on US security guarantees, just like the rest of Eur
by frodo8sam 2y ago
The supply chain for these machines is heavily dependent on the US and the Netherlands is heavily dependent on US security guarantees, just like the rest of Europe.
- rkajg 2y ago[flagged]
- jimbohn 2y agoLet me guess, russia is a misunderstood friend, right?
- lokar 2y agoYes comrade, the Tsar is your friend!
- llamaimperative 2y agoEurope has its own nuclear forces Also LOL @ the US being the destabilizing force with Russia.
- krisoft 2y ago> Europe has its own nuclear forces That is not really true. Some european countries have nuclear forces. France and the UK. There are also countries who host American nuclear weapons, but they can't arm them without the authorisation of the US Department of Defense. (Belgium, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, and Turkey) Europe as an entity does not have its own nuclear force. (It is hard to even know what that would mean.)
- l5870uoo9y 2y agoAs I understand the UK nuclear deterrence is highly dependable on the US, unlike the french.
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- tmnvdb 2y agoRussia is in Europe and has a lot of nukes.
- belter 2y agoBonjour :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_de_dissuasion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_de_dissuasion
- adgjlsfhk1 2y agoSaudi Arabia has less of a history of invading European countries
- rtlknb 2y agoWe were told in 2022 that the Russian army was incompetent, people had no gloves and were fighting with shovels. Probably not entirely without reason, because the Ukrainian counteroffensive in 2022 was relatively successful. So the gas money definitely did not go to the army. Now, after the sanctions, on the other hand Russia keeps producing missiles and other things and trades with China. By the way, Saudi Arabia does have a history of invading Yemen. Not an EU country, but a "military operation".
- fsckboy 2y agothe House of Saud conquered Arabia less than 100 years ago.
- myrmidon 2y agoWhat exactly is your point? You are basically saying that despite pre-2022 Russian/European gas trade revenue initial Russian military performance was poor, but since Russian combat readiness improves now (with sanctions in place), the EU might as well have continued trading? Because that is just faulty reasoning; You would need actual data here to draw any conclusions about sanction effectiveness.
- FredPret 2y agoFrance and the UK have nukes https://www.icanw.org/nuclear_arsenals?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAhbi8BhDIARIsAJLOlud_T-8XnoJhpD9mEpA8b9isu3h5krFcGhUibeuZ9nhMTKCj2KjhNpEaAssWEALw_wcB https://www.icanw.org/nuclear_arsenals?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj...
- rtlknb 2y agoUK is not even in the EU any longer and France having nukes is not an "EU nuclear force".
- orwin 2y agoIf France consider the EU being one of it's 'vital strategic interest', you can consider EU to have 289 nukes available. Not 290, because the first one will be used as a 'warning shot'.
- tmnvdb 2y agoThis is classic dilemma in nuclear strategy: would France risk Paris to defend Warsow, or Berlin (by using nuclear weapons)? A similar dilemma: will the US risk New York to save Paris? France did not believe that the US would risk New York to save Paris. So France developed it's own nuclear deterrent. I leave the rest as an exercise to the reader.
- bcrosby95 2y agoYou're correct. They wouldn't. The US and France would not nuke Russia if it invaded Poland or Germany. But that isn't necessarily true if Russia invaded the US or France (and had a chance of winning).
- high_na_euv 2y ago>Warsow Wtf
- orwin 2y agoIt seems pretty clear that yes. Probably won't do the warning shot until a EU city where a french embassy/school is present is bombed, but clearly yes. Post-95 french doctrine refuse the use of nuke as a tactical weapon, so i guess supply lines or military airports would be the targets of subsequent nukes, but we have generals who grew with the idea of using tactical nukes, and i'm pretty sure the possibility is still studied at St-Cyr. French will say "we won't bomb Russia, but do you think we can bomb your territory, close to the border, on this train station/close to this airport?" It will probably be refused, until its _really_ needed. Russia (and US) doctrine of only using nuke if their territory is nuked does not work in an offensive war.
- michaelt 2y ago> The supply chain for these machines is heavily dependent on the US The supply chain for iPhones is heavily dependent on Chinese manufacturing. We wouldn't normally expect Tim Cook to kowtow to the Chinese Communist Party, though.
- frodo8sam 2y agoI fully expect people like Tim Cook and Elon Musk to appease the Chinese government if it benefits their business and doesn’t make them appear cozy with the CCP to the U.S. public.
- bmelton 2y ago> We wouldn't normally expect Tim Cook to kowtow to the Chinese Communist Party, though Why wouldn't we? They already do, and quite a bit. They store Chinese user data exclusively in China on Chinese servers run by Chinese companies despite the obvious implication that the state has eyes into that data. They censor apps out of the app store that violate Chinese policies and comply with requests for censorship, automatically deleting VPNs that could be used to bypass the firewall or news apps that could access free information. They censor information on Tianenman Square protests, and Hong Kong democracy. They have modified iCloud encryption and air-drop settings to allow China to bypass them and limit time durations to make them less effective as tools in protest organization. They make investments into Chinese companies, they maintain quiet neutrality on sensitive subjects that would imperil their relations with the state, they adapt to their markets and acquiesce their territorially disputed maps to China's requests, etc.