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Until china is not able to produce state-of-the-art EUV photolitographers, they will be "grounded" to produce old silicon process chips.
by sylware 2y ago
Until china is not able to produce state-of-the-art EUV photolitographers, they will be "grounded" to produce old silicon process chips.
- belter 2y agoOr until the US invades Greenland, and will be barred by the EU of ever using ASML machines again ;-)
- aurareturn 2y agoPretty sure the reason ASML has to comply is because they rely on American suppliers. Without those American suppliers, they wouldn't be able to build their machines.
- microtonal 2y agoOr, I don't know? The Netherlands considers the US an ally and if the US asks it, we (sometimes begrudgingly) do it? Which circles back to the current problem in the White House. Allies don't work on transactionalism and threats. They work using a lot of silent diplomacy and the understanding that you sometimes sacrifice a bit for an ally. Everybody gets some wins.
- aurareturn 2y agoIt’s all about leverage. What leverage does the US have on ASML?
- usrnm 2y agoThe US already threatened to invade the Netherlands not so long ago, worked like a charm. I'm pretty sure your scenario would be resolved just as easily
- postepowanieadm 2y agoNetherlands(ASML) or Denmark(Greenland/Ozempic)?
- peterpost2 2y agoI think he might be thinking about the following repulsive law: https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_...
- belter 2y agoYour forgot about the ASML Machines remote disable. The SEAL Team 6 better deploy already to a location around Amsterdam.... "ASML can remotely disable chip machines if China invades Taiwan" - https://nltimes.nl/2024/05/21/asml-can-remotely-disable-chip-machines-china-invades-taiwan-report https://nltimes.nl/2024/05/21/asml-can-remotely-disable-chip...
- sylware 2y agoI heard about total destruction, but not from ASML, from taiwan authorities.
- corimaith 2y agoThe US isn't even willing to send troops to deal with the Houthis and now you're treating an invasion of the Netherlands as credible? Maybe you should cool it with the propaganda here.
- krisoft 2y ago> and now you're treating an invasion of the Netherlands as credible? It is as credible as it gets. The explicit threat is in the American Service-Members' Protection Act and it was signed into law by President George W. Bush on August 2, 2002. Which part of this do you feel is propaganda?
- dragonelite 2y agoThe lithographic light source is US ip being created on US shores. If they do that it will be the last EUV machine ASML will make in the EU. Hell i would bet ASML will move to US than stay in EU, if the US says move to the US and we will allow you to do business with China again. Also it looks like China has multiple EUV tracks on going from SSMB to that tin based EUV that ASML works with.
- belter 2y agoThe lithographic light source used in ASML EUV lithography systems is based on intellectual property developed by Cymer, a company that....drum roll...ASML acquired in 2013.
- kube-system 2y agoIf we're talking about the above hypothetical trade embargo, it wouldn't really matter. Ownership doesn't override trade restrictions.
- dragonelite 2y agoYou think Cymer will stay ASML property when the US can just do a National security ruling... Queue in the "First time" meme with China and Netherlands.
- impossiblefork 2y agoIt's not like AMSL couldn't build other light sources. There's a lot of particle accelerator research in Europe, for example. But presumably there is a partnership, so that the Netherlands accomodates the US and the US accommodates the Netherlands, so that nobody is unhappy, with this working well enough that no one has felt the need to do switch.
- amelius 2y agoIs EUV the only way? Isn't there a much slower technique with laser engraving, but which they may scale in some other way? https://www.asianometry.com/p/euv-lithography-but-with-a-free-electron https://www.asianometry.com/p/euv-lithography-but-with-a-fre...
- nomercy400 2y agoEUV is all about the laser. To create the small transistors of 4nm for example, either lithography or some other laser tech, you need to be able to shine a pure light on them of small enough wavelength. EUV is the smallest we can create thus far.
- CamperBob2 2y agoI suppose that the real issue is that EUV is the smallest we can focus thus far. Otherwise we'd be using harder X-rays from things like synchrotron light sources, no?
- andyferris 2y agoYou want to impact the surface, not deep into the material like X-rays would penetrate, so you can't actually go too low in wavelength either.
- sylware 2y agoIsn't that a significant research field? New semi-conducting crystals and materials which would be friendly to x-rays?
- jecel 2y agohttps://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoimprint-lithography https://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoimprint-lithography
- xbmcuser 2y agoIt would be really interesting if in order to compete and not being able to get anywhere with photolithography if they come up with some other material to make processors or something else. Silicon is the thing that has been worked on and billions have been spent on it over decades. Now with chinese government as well private companies spending billions on a break through we might get something out of left field where private companies would not have been willing to invest in. As they say competition/war speeds up innovation.
- sylware 2y agoif if if would would would. Dude, they found a way, until they did.
- Keyframe 2y agothey'd still need know-how what to produce, and that seems to also be the hard part if not way harder.
- Synaesthesia 2y agoUSA the parent of the world, grounding unruly teenagers like the PRC.