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> The calendar thing is working correctly. Only from a stubborn, technical perspective. It's obviously not working as intended for GP. It should be easy to cre

> The calendar thing is working correctly. Only from a stubborn, technical perspective. It's obviously not working as intended for GP. It should be easy to create "local timezone" events on Apple devices, and it isn't. In fact, I'm thinking of pretty much all my events in local timezones. A concert at 8pm. Meeting someone for a coffee at 2pm. Flight departure times. Taking pills at 7am in the morning. Having people in other timezones involved is the exception for me, not the default. There are many ways how you could implement a nice UI for that, and Apple offers none.

louis-paul 2y ago
It is possible on macOS with the Floating time zone: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/calendar/icl1035/mac#icl24c26dd16 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/calendar/icl1035/mac#i... This doesn’t look possible on the iOS/iPadOS Calendar apps.
- DidYaWipe 2y ago
  Thanks for the link. Apple's language on this whole mess is of no help. First there's their use of "Turn on time zone support" which is meaningless. You'd think this would be the solution: turning it off and breathing a sigh of relief. But no; this does not stop the behavior. As far as "floating," it says: "To keep the event from moving when you view a different time zone, choose Floating." When I VIEW a different time zone? Does this also mean when I'm IN a different time zone? Anyway... I will have to create a dummy "floating" appointment on my Mac before my next trip and see what the phone does with it when I get there. But it sure seems like this setting needs to exist on the mobile devices too...
  - dcrazy 2y ago
    In the macOS version of Calendar, “Time Zone Support” is the name of a feature in the Settings window. When you check that checkbox, twi things happen: - the event inspector adds a timezone selector the the Start and End date/time pickers - the window titlebar gains a timezone picker. The timezone picker in the window titlebar defaults to your system’s current timezone. When you create an event, the start and end times for that event default to the window’s current timezone. You can use the newly-revealed picker in the inspector to change the timezone of an event. There is a single picker that alters both the start and end time. If you set this to something other than the timezone chosen in the window’s titlebar, the event will move to reflect when it will occur in the window’s timezone. I am personally convinced this is what people want 99% of the time, and I think it’s silly that you have to check a checkbox in Calendar Settings to get it. It’s fairly common to receive details for an event in another timezone, such as a conference call or vacation. I live with Time Zone Support enabled on all my Macs, and while I rarely touch the timezone picker in the titlebar I make frequent use of the timezone picker when setting the event details window. There’s one special option in the event details timezone picker: “Floating”. This tells Calendar to always reckon the start and end times in the timezone selected in the window’s titlebar. So if you create an event that starts at 7am and set its timezone to “Floating”, the event will always be shown to begin at 7am even if you change your system’s timezone or the timezone in the titlebar. I don’t use this feature much, but it’s useful for plotting out your daily routine. If you go for at 6am every day, regardless of where you are on the planet, you can create a floating “Daily Run” event that starts at 6am and doesn’t shift as you travel. The iPhone version of calendar is designed differently. There is no “Time Zone Support” checkbox on iPhone. The event details view always shows time zone pickers for both the start and end times. This lets you create an event with the start and end times specified in local times in different timezones. I use this feature for every single flight I take, and I always have to enter them on my phone because the Mac doesn’t let you set the start and end timezones independently. But the iPhone doesn’t let you choose Floating in the time zone picker, so you can’t use it to create daily-routine events. Thankfully, all versions of Calendar preserve the data and behavior of events created on any platform, so you can create your Floating events in a Mac and your timezone-spanning flights on an iPhone and they will render as expected on the other device, including the Event Details window.
    - DidYaWipe 2y ago
      Thanks for that detailed rundown. As far as what people want most of the time, I would submit that way more than 99% of the time they want the appointment to start when the digits of the clock on their phone show a particular time... anywhere in the world. And leave it to Apple to bury and obfuscate the option that supports the most-typical use case, with this "floating" setting. It also requires an extra step, every. damned. time. And of course it's asinine to omit the option from the devices on which it's arguably most important: MOBILE ones. Final nitpick: Appointments don't show timezones when you look at them on iOS or the Mac. Even with "time zone support" turned on.
DidYaWipe 2y ago
Exactly. I was thinking through how I would want this expressed in the UI, and Time zone: Local was exactly what I came up with. The absurd thing about Apple's approach is, as you point out, that it serves the tiny minority of use cases. Who the hell looks up the time zone of everything they're going to do when they're traveling around? I just want it to use the time shown on the phone!
- hedora 2y ago
  Edit event -> tap the time -> time zone -> type the city name. (No need to look up the timezone.) I agree that calendar’s UI is a bit of a tire fire. One of Apple’s core UI design tenants is that you should be continuously surprised and delighted when you use iPhone, and then share your discoveries with friends to build up an Apple user community. I don’t want the phone to surprise and delight me, or hide major features like a 1990’s microsoft excel easter egg. For instance, why in the hell are “magnifier” and “scan + ocr document to pdf” not in the camera app?
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    > why in the hell are “magnifier” and “scan + ocr document to pdf” not in the camera app? Because a lot of people intuitively think a camera is different to a magnifying glass or a scanner.
    - amluto 2y ago
      And the result is that there is no non-tedious way, intuitive or not, to scan a document to either Photos or to Files, which is how one would generally want to save a photo-like thing.
  - DidYaWipe 2y ago
    "One of Apple’s core UI design tenants is that you should be continuously surprised and delighted when you use iPhone, and then share your discoveries with friends to build up an Apple user community." Ha ha ha, I do remember this catchphrase and it so perfectly sums up what's wrong with a lot of Apple (and, to be fair, other) UI today. I want to get shit done, not play with an Advent calendar. Friendly FYI: The word you're looking for is TENETS. Tenants would be renting space, and I haven't received any checks yet. Actually, not true... those AAPL dividends might count.
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louis-paul 2y ago

It is possible on macOS with the Floating time zone: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/calendar/icl1035/mac#icl24c26dd16 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/calendar/icl1035/mac#i... This doesn’t look possible on the iOS/iPadOS Calendar apps.

DidYaWipe 2y ago
Thanks for the link. Apple's language on this whole mess is of no help. First there's their use of "Turn on time zone support" which is meaningless. You'd think this would be the solution: turning it off and breathing a sigh of relief. But no; this does not stop the behavior. As far as "floating," it says: "To keep the event from moving when you view a different time zone, choose Floating." When I VIEW a different time zone? Does this also mean when I'm IN a different time zone? Anyway... I will have to create a dummy "floating" appointment on my Mac before my next trip and see what the phone does with it when I get there. But it sure seems like this setting needs to exist on the mobile devices too...
- dcrazy 2y ago
  In the macOS version of Calendar, “Time Zone Support” is the name of a feature in the Settings window. When you check that checkbox, twi things happen: - the event inspector adds a timezone selector the the Start and End date/time pickers - the window titlebar gains a timezone picker. The timezone picker in the window titlebar defaults to your system’s current timezone. When you create an event, the start and end times for that event default to the window’s current timezone. You can use the newly-revealed picker in the inspector to change the timezone of an event. There is a single picker that alters both the start and end time. If you set this to something other than the timezone chosen in the window’s titlebar, the event will move to reflect when it will occur in the window’s timezone. I am personally convinced this is what people want 99% of the time, and I think it’s silly that you have to check a checkbox in Calendar Settings to get it. It’s fairly common to receive details for an event in another timezone, such as a conference call or vacation. I live with Time Zone Support enabled on all my Macs, and while I rarely touch the timezone picker in the titlebar I make frequent use of the timezone picker when setting the event details window. There’s one special option in the event details timezone picker: “Floating”. This tells Calendar to always reckon the start and end times in the timezone selected in the window’s titlebar. So if you create an event that starts at 7am and set its timezone to “Floating”, the event will always be shown to begin at 7am even if you change your system’s timezone or the timezone in the titlebar. I don’t use this feature much, but it’s useful for plotting out your daily routine. If you go for at 6am every day, regardless of where you are on the planet, you can create a floating “Daily Run” event that starts at 6am and doesn’t shift as you travel. The iPhone version of calendar is designed differently. There is no “Time Zone Support” checkbox on iPhone. The event details view always shows time zone pickers for both the start and end times. This lets you create an event with the start and end times specified in local times in different timezones. I use this feature for every single flight I take, and I always have to enter them on my phone because the Mac doesn’t let you set the start and end timezones independently. But the iPhone doesn’t let you choose Floating in the time zone picker, so you can’t use it to create daily-routine events. Thankfully, all versions of Calendar preserve the data and behavior of events created on any platform, so you can create your Floating events in a Mac and your timezone-spanning flights on an iPhone and they will render as expected on the other device, including the Event Details window.
  - DidYaWipe 2y ago
    Thanks for that detailed rundown. As far as what people want most of the time, I would submit that way more than 99% of the time they want the appointment to start when the digits of the clock on their phone show a particular time... anywhere in the world. And leave it to Apple to bury and obfuscate the option that supports the most-typical use case, with this "floating" setting. It also requires an extra step, every. damned. time. And of course it's asinine to omit the option from the devices on which it's arguably most important: MOBILE ones. Final nitpick: Appointments don't show timezones when you look at them on iOS or the Mac. Even with "time zone support" turned on.

DidYaWipe 2y ago

Exactly. I was thinking through how I would want this expressed in the UI, and Time zone: Local was exactly what I came up with. The absurd thing about Apple's approach is, as you point out, that it serves the tiny minority of use cases. Who the hell looks up the time zone of everything they're going to do when they're traveling around? I just want it to use the time shown on the phone!

hedora 2y ago
Edit event -> tap the time -> time zone -> type the city name. (No need to look up the timezone.) I agree that calendar’s UI is a bit of a tire fire. One of Apple’s core UI design tenants is that you should be continuously surprised and delighted when you use iPhone, and then share your discoveries with friends to build up an Apple user community. I don’t want the phone to surprise and delight me, or hide major features like a 1990’s microsoft excel easter egg. For instance, why in the hell are “magnifier” and “scan + ocr document to pdf” not in the camera app?
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  > why in the hell are “magnifier” and “scan + ocr document to pdf” not in the camera app? Because a lot of people intuitively think a camera is different to a magnifying glass or a scanner.
  - amluto 2y ago
    And the result is that there is no non-tedious way, intuitive or not, to scan a document to either Photos or to Files, which is how one would generally want to save a photo-like thing.
- DidYaWipe 2y ago
  "One of Apple’s core UI design tenants is that you should be continuously surprised and delighted when you use iPhone, and then share your discoveries with friends to build up an Apple user community." Ha ha ha, I do remember this catchphrase and it so perfectly sums up what's wrong with a lot of Apple (and, to be fair, other) UI today. I want to get shit done, not play with an Advent calendar. Friendly FYI: The word you're looking for is TENETS. Tenants would be renting space, and I haven't received any checks yet. Actually, not true... those AAPL dividends might count.

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