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> This led to slower device performance without informing users, which is a removal of expected performance functionality. As opposed to the device unexpectedl

• askariwa 2y ago
  Well, they DID remove expected performance by slowing CPU performance, disn't they? People who had bought these iPhones (and not the previous ones) did so also because of the promise of a more powerful CPU, a promise broken by Apple. It is removing a feature (a better CPU) and Apple knew it that's why they did it without informing users.
  • esskay 2y ago
    Just to add, they also got fined by the EU for doing so, so it was ruled to be illegal. Bambu's changes would fall into the same category of altering the product and degrading the experience after its been sold.
    • nunobrito 2y ago
      Just to let you know that InstaCam360 did the same on their cameras with the smartphone app. Previously you could directly upload the 360 videos do youtube, now you need to download the film locally on the phone, then host a converted version and only after those loops you are permitted to upload. Or you can now buy a monthly subscription and get back the feature that was already there before. Quite disappointed with this kind of behavior.
• Xelbair 2y ago
  the problem isn't that they've done it. the problem is that user got no choice. Some might prefer degraded performance, others might prefer to charge their devices more often. Also seller should have no business touching anything that they've already sold - they do might offer support, but it should be up to user to accept it or not.
  • theshrike79 2y ago
    It's not a matter of "charging more often". The phone just shut down when the battery was somewhere between 0-40% Source: had two 6S's in the family. In the cold it could just suddenly shut down mid-call from 60% battery.
    • mavhc 2y ago
      However they applied it to all phones of that model, not just ones with degraded batteries
      • sehansen 2y ago
        No, it was dynamic based on voltage. iPhones with worn batteries had higher performance at full battery and swapping the battery with a fresh replacement restored full performance even at low battery percentage. In fact this is how the slowdown was discovered: someone replaced their iPhone battery with a non-genuine replacement and it got noticeably faster.
    • Xelbair 2y ago
      you are still missing the point. USER should chose that. not apple. not all of them shut down, someone might get a battery replacement. What apple should've do is to introduce a toggle, give a warning in notification. and in case of crash, display it again.
      • theshrike79 2y ago
        Apple (IMO rationally) chose that people would prefer a working phone, one they can use to call emergecy services, for example, to a phone that just suddenly dies. After the massive hissy fit the Internet threw (along with lawsuits), they added a switch. Now you can choose to have your phone suddenly die. But the legend lives on that "Appple slowed down phones permanently!!" - even though the fix for that is a 40€ battery swap that takes 30 minutes in any mall phone repair shop.
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• jillyboel 2y ago
  > All Li-ion batteries degrade over time So they know this yet they refuse to let users swap the battery?
  • theshrike79 2y ago
    Users can swap the battery? 1) open phone 2) remove battery 3) replace battery 4) close phone It just requires more tools than your fingers, like every single mainstream phone.
    • jillyboel 2y ago
      Not sure what kind of users you're dealing with, but your typical iphone user can absolutely not do that
      • theshrike79 2y ago
        A typical car driver can't change the oil in their car, nor can they do a headgasket swap either. People don't go telling that Ford "refuses users to let their change their oil". It's all perfectly doable, but you do need the tools and an ability to follow a step by step guide with pictures.
        • nunobrito 2y ago
          Imagine Ford deciding their cars must drive at 50% their speed when the engine oil is older than 2 years and at the same time forbidding users from changing the oil. Yet there are always people justifying these type of awful practices as better for users. These aren't, the measures are only good for business.
          • theshrike79 2y ago
            Have you driven a German car ever? They are SO LOUD if you don't service them at regular intervals. They're even doing fancy tricks to make sure you're not faking the service.
• meragrin_ 2y ago
  > This whole thing was totally overblown. No, it isn't. If the battery was broken and they knew the battery was broken, they should have informed the user the phone could be fixed with a new battery. They decided to gimp the device and not tell the user so they would be more likely to purchase a new device rather than simply fixing the old one.
• CamperBob2 2y ago
  It was not overblown. Apple didn't disclose what they were doing or give the user the option to decide what was best for them. When a company chooses to behave that way, it should hurt them, and it did. Apple's actions in this case were even worse than Bambu's. At least Bambu documented what the update did and offered the option of declining it.