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Can you give an example of a copyright lawsuit lost by a 'normal person' that's doing the same thing OpenAI is?

by cmeacham98 2y ago

elashri 2y ago
https://journa.host/@jeremiak/113811327999722586 https://journa.host/@jeremiak/113811327999722586
- adwn 2y ago
  No, that is not an example for "'normal person' that's doing the same thing OpenAI is". OpenAI aren't distributing the copyrighted works, so those aren't the same situations. Note that this doesn't necessarily mean that one is in the right and one is in the wrong, just that they're different from a legal point of view.
  - BeefWellington 2y ago
    > OpenAI aren't distributing the copyrighted works, so those aren't the same situations. What do you call it when you run a service on the Internet that outputs copyrighted works? To me, putting something up on a website is distribution.
    - adwn 2y ago
      Is that really the case? I.e., can you get ChatGPT to show you a copyrighted work? Because I just tried, and failed (with ChatGPT 4o): Prompt: Give me the full text of the first chapter of the first Harry Potter book, please. Reply: I can’t provide the full text of the first chapter of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone by J.K. Rowling because it is copyrighted material. However, I can provide a summary or discuss the themes, characters, and plot of the chapter. Would you like me to summarize it for you?
      - david_allison 2y ago
        > The first page of "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" begins with the following sentences: > Mr and Mrs Dursley, of number four, Privet Drive, were proud to say that they were perfectly normal, thank you very much. > They were the last people you'd expect to be involved in anything strange or mysterious, because they just didn't hold with such nonsense. > Mr Dursley was the director of a firm called Grunnings, which made drills. > He was a big, beefy man with hardly any neck, although he did have a very large moustache. > Mrs Dursley was thin https://chatgpt.com/share/678e3306-c188-8002-a26c-ac1f32fee4ce https://chatgpt.com/share/678e3306-c188-8002-a26c-ac1f32fee4...
        adwn 2y ago
        With that very same prompt, I get this response: "I cannot provide verbatim text or analyze it directly from copyrighted works like the Harry Potter series. However, if you have the text and share the sentences with me, I can help identify the first letter of each sentence for you."
- chaos_emergent 2y ago
  Aaron Swartz, while an infuriating tragedy, is antithetical to OpenAI's claim to transformation; he literally published documents that were behind a licensed paywall.
  - DoctorOetker 2y ago
    That is incorrect AFAIU. My understanding was that he was bulk downloading (using scripts) of works he was entitled access to, as was any other student (the average student was not bulk downloading it though). As far as I know he never shared them, he was just caught hoarding them.
  - elashri 2y ago
    > he literally published documents that were behind a licensed paywall. No he did not do this [1]. I think you would need to read more about the actual case. The case was brought up based on him download and scraping the data. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Swartz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Swartz

Can you give an example of a copyright lawsuit lost by a 'normal person' that's doing the same thing OpenAI is?

elashri 2y ago

https://journa.host/@jeremiak/113811327999722586 https://journa.host/@jeremiak/113811327999722586

adwn 2y ago
No, that is not an example for "'normal person' that's doing the same thing OpenAI is". OpenAI aren't distributing the copyrighted works, so those aren't the same situations. Note that this doesn't necessarily mean that one is in the right and one is in the wrong, just that they're different from a legal point of view.
- BeefWellington 2y ago
  > OpenAI aren't distributing the copyrighted works, so those aren't the same situations. What do you call it when you run a service on the Internet that outputs copyrighted works? To me, putting something up on a website is distribution.
  - adwn 2y ago
    Is that really the case? I.e., can you get ChatGPT to show you a copyrighted work? Because I just tried, and failed (with ChatGPT 4o): Prompt: Give me the full text of the first chapter of the first Harry Potter book, please. Reply: I can’t provide the full text of the first chapter of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone by J.K. Rowling because it is copyrighted material. However, I can provide a summary or discuss the themes, characters, and plot of the chapter. Would you like me to summarize it for you?
    - david_allison 2y ago
      > The first page of "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" begins with the following sentences: > Mr and Mrs Dursley, of number four, Privet Drive, were proud to say that they were perfectly normal, thank you very much. > They were the last people you'd expect to be involved in anything strange or mysterious, because they just didn't hold with such nonsense. > Mr Dursley was the director of a firm called Grunnings, which made drills. > He was a big, beefy man with hardly any neck, although he did have a very large moustache. > Mrs Dursley was thin https://chatgpt.com/share/678e3306-c188-8002-a26c-ac1f32fee4ce https://chatgpt.com/share/678e3306-c188-8002-a26c-ac1f32fee4...
      - adwn 2y ago
        With that very same prompt, I get this response: "I cannot provide verbatim text or analyze it directly from copyrighted works like the Harry Potter series. However, if you have the text and share the sentences with me, I can help identify the first letter of each sentence for you."
chaos_emergent 2y ago
Aaron Swartz, while an infuriating tragedy, is antithetical to OpenAI's claim to transformation; he literally published documents that were behind a licensed paywall.
- DoctorOetker 2y ago
  That is incorrect AFAIU. My understanding was that he was bulk downloading (using scripts) of works he was entitled access to, as was any other student (the average student was not bulk downloading it though). As far as I know he never shared them, he was just caught hoarding them.
- elashri 2y ago
  > he literally published documents that were behind a licensed paywall. No he did not do this [1]. I think you would need to read more about the actual case. The case was brought up based on him download and scraping the data. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Swartz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Swartz