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It's possible for people who aren't currently the president to do things.

by mquander 2y ago

ceejayoz 2y ago
“Be President while the other guy still is” is not one of them.
- wat10000 2y ago
  There isn’t enough time for the current President to enforce this. A convincing pledge from the incoming guy that he’ll allow them to continue operating is all it would take. How you get a convincing pledge out of this guy, I have no idea, but apparently they believe it.
  - Applejinx 2y ago
    He's also telling them to buy a shitcoin. It's all very well believing he magically saved TikTok, but I think there's a lot that will be real hard to swallow. The cycles between FA and FO are getting really, really quick…
    - deadbabe 2y ago
      it turns out that sometimes what you find out is that nothing happens after you’ve fucked around.
      - wat10000 2y ago
        And sometimes it’s the rest of us who get to find out.
  - anon7000 2y ago
    The current president already said he didn’t intend to enforce the ban anyways.
    - wat10000 2y ago
      That doesn’t mean much when he’s about to go.
- latency-guy2 2y ago
  TikTok operated in a way that did not need to happen. Biden's administration was explicit in that the enforcement of the ban were to be performed by the Trump administration. Trump signaled that he would sign an EO allowing a 90 day extension to the ban terms on Monday. TikTok are now operating based on this information. Who is currently in charge of the oval office is an irrelevant quality. Note that the ban was not really on TikTok, but the ownership. TikTok could be owned by many other parties in the world. It just can't be ByteDance or parent/subsidiary which has ties to China.
  - root_axis 2y ago
    > Trump signaled that he would sign an EO allowing a 90 day extension to the ban terms on Monday How does that work? If congress passed a law banning TikTok how can the president just override it for 3 months? What's to stop him from overriding it for the next 4 years?
    - latency-guy2 2y ago
      It's outlined in the bill and is explicitly stated. I've lost interest in this topic unfortunately, but its pretty clear even past all the legalese with the terms defined from what I remember.
      - root_axis 2y ago
        I read the bill and didn't see it stated anywhere. I'd genuinely appreciate a link or even a copy/paste with the relevant section that I could look up on google.
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- ruraljuror 2y ago
  But that is essentially what is happening. There is long-standing convention for the president elect to not step on the sitting president's toes prior to inauguration, but Trump has been bucking that convention this time around. This is just an impossible to ignore example.
GeneralMayhem 2y ago
Okay, fine, let's play this game. What did Trump do to get TikTok back online?
- moralestapia 2y ago
  No idea and we might never know, but, do you think ByteDance would just lie about it?
- coliveira 2y ago
  It is very clear that it is Trump doing the negotiations around TikTok. The current administration is at this point powerless.
- Maxatar 2y ago
  He agreed to extend to TikTok an executive order that grants it a 90 day extension, as the law explicitly allows the President to do.
  - palata 2y ago
    > as the law explicitly allows the President to do. I think this is debated, which is why Apple and Google may not bring back TikTok to the stores... at least that's what I read.
  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    Doesn't the law explicitly require TikTok to have a convincing deal in place, and to be able to show proof of that to Congress, before such an extension can be granted? At 17:05 in this video (and I believe discussed once elsewhere but I can't find it/don't want to rewatch it): https://youtu.be/pZkoV5UnPvw https://youtu.be/pZkoV5UnPvw
- Karrot_Kream 2y ago
  Trump agreed to use a provision in the bill to offer a one-time 90 day extension on enforcement: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521/text#HF58A3513596C4ECA9863FB2565FDF872 https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521...
tw04 2y ago
It’s actually illegal for people who aren’t currently the president to negotiate as if they were.
- afiori 2y ago
  Declaring your intent to create an executive order the next day is not a negotiation
  - throwawayq3423 2y ago
    He's bragged several times that he saved TikTok. Trump also said the Israeli peace deal wouldn't have happened with him, which is an admission of breaking the law that states you cannot act as president without being president. But Trump already knows he is above the law, so none of this matters.
    - immibis 2y ago
      Israel already broke the peace deal btw, but as with a lot of Israel news, you'll be unlikely to see that reported on.
      - myvoiceismypass 2y ago
        That does not take away the fact that Trump was directly negotiating with Netanyahu before even won reelection.
        throwawayq3423 2y ago
        As far back as July, then again in October. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0q_8zGJGxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0q_8zGJGxc https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2024-10-13/trump-says-he-recently-spoke-with-israel-prime-minister-netanyahu https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2024-10-13/trump-...
- deleted 2y ago
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It's possible for people who aren't currently the president to do things.

ceejayoz 2y ago

“Be President while the other guy still is” is not one of them.

wat10000 2y ago
There isn’t enough time for the current President to enforce this. A convincing pledge from the incoming guy that he’ll allow them to continue operating is all it would take. How you get a convincing pledge out of this guy, I have no idea, but apparently they believe it.
- Applejinx 2y ago
  He's also telling them to buy a shitcoin. It's all very well believing he magically saved TikTok, but I think there's a lot that will be real hard to swallow. The cycles between FA and FO are getting really, really quick…
  - deadbabe 2y ago
    it turns out that sometimes what you find out is that nothing happens after you’ve fucked around.
    - wat10000 2y ago
      And sometimes it’s the rest of us who get to find out.
- anon7000 2y ago
  The current president already said he didn’t intend to enforce the ban anyways.
  - wat10000 2y ago
    That doesn’t mean much when he’s about to go.
latency-guy2 2y ago
TikTok operated in a way that did not need to happen. Biden's administration was explicit in that the enforcement of the ban were to be performed by the Trump administration. Trump signaled that he would sign an EO allowing a 90 day extension to the ban terms on Monday. TikTok are now operating based on this information. Who is currently in charge of the oval office is an irrelevant quality. Note that the ban was not really on TikTok, but the ownership. TikTok could be owned by many other parties in the world. It just can't be ByteDance or parent/subsidiary which has ties to China.
- root_axis 2y ago
  > Trump signaled that he would sign an EO allowing a 90 day extension to the ban terms on Monday How does that work? If congress passed a law banning TikTok how can the president just override it for 3 months? What's to stop him from overriding it for the next 4 years?
  - latency-guy2 2y ago
    It's outlined in the bill and is explicitly stated. I've lost interest in this topic unfortunately, but its pretty clear even past all the legalese with the terms defined from what I remember.
    - root_axis 2y ago
      I read the bill and didn't see it stated anywhere. I'd genuinely appreciate a link or even a copy/paste with the relevant section that I could look up on google.
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
ruraljuror 2y ago
But that is essentially what is happening. There is long-standing convention for the president elect to not step on the sitting president's toes prior to inauguration, but Trump has been bucking that convention this time around. This is just an impossible to ignore example.

GeneralMayhem 2y ago

Okay, fine, let's play this game. What did Trump do to get TikTok back online?

moralestapia 2y ago
No idea and we might never know, but, do you think ByteDance would just lie about it?
coliveira 2y ago
It is very clear that it is Trump doing the negotiations around TikTok. The current administration is at this point powerless.
Maxatar 2y ago
He agreed to extend to TikTok an executive order that grants it a 90 day extension, as the law explicitly allows the President to do.
- palata 2y ago
  > as the law explicitly allows the President to do. I think this is debated, which is why Apple and Google may not bring back TikTok to the stores... at least that's what I read.
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  Doesn't the law explicitly require TikTok to have a convincing deal in place, and to be able to show proof of that to Congress, before such an extension can be granted? At 17:05 in this video (and I believe discussed once elsewhere but I can't find it/don't want to rewatch it): https://youtu.be/pZkoV5UnPvw https://youtu.be/pZkoV5UnPvw
Karrot_Kream 2y ago
Trump agreed to use a provision in the bill to offer a one-time 90 day extension on enforcement: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521/text#HF58A3513596C4ECA9863FB2565FDF872 https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521...

tw04 2y ago

It’s actually illegal for people who aren’t currently the president to negotiate as if they were.

afiori 2y ago
Declaring your intent to create an executive order the next day is not a negotiation
- throwawayq3423 2y ago
  He's bragged several times that he saved TikTok. Trump also said the Israeli peace deal wouldn't have happened with him, which is an admission of breaking the law that states you cannot act as president without being president. But Trump already knows he is above the law, so none of this matters.
  - immibis 2y ago
    Israel already broke the peace deal btw, but as with a lot of Israel news, you'll be unlikely to see that reported on.
    - myvoiceismypass 2y ago
      That does not take away the fact that Trump was directly negotiating with Netanyahu before even won reelection.
      - throwawayq3423 2y ago
        As far back as July, then again in October. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0q_8zGJGxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0q_8zGJGxc https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2024-10-13/trump-says-he-recently-spoke-with-israel-prime-minister-netanyahu https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2024-10-13/trump-...
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