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And Nostr. Nostr is smaller than either Bluesky or ActivityPub, but it has some benefits over those two. It has a large number of cool clients (twitter-like, me

by nout 2y ago

And Nostr. Nostr is smaller than either Bluesky or ActivityPub, but it has some benefits over those two. It has a large number of cool clients (twitter-like, medium-like, music related, instagram-like) and the fact that instance admin can't de-platform you like they can on Mastodon, which literally happened to me. Nostr also shows signs of being able to support the developers via very easy "tipping" feature. For example when new Amethyst (nostr client on android) is released, it makes it super easy to send the developers couple cents. And those cents add up. I don't think it's self sustainable currently, but it's not that far either.

sitkack 2y ago
I don't know why your comment is being downvoted, first I heard of the protocol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostr https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr/ https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr/ Is that because of it being crypto adjacent?
- jgilias 2y ago
  It’s not really crypto adjacent. It is full of Bitcoin maxis who vehemently hate crypto though.
- nout 2y ago
  Yeah, probably. Nostr is quite hated by the Hacker News community from what I have observed. This is most likely because it's used by folks that are into freedom technologies that explicitly don't allow excluding any users from participating. And so it attracts people that are into bitcoin, Tor, cryptography, etc. "Crypto" is actually quite hated at Nostr and you get called out for bringing any stupid crypto coins. You are free to talk about anything though and the system can't block or exclude you, but people may mute you in their clients.
pseudocomposer 2y ago
What do you mean by “instance owners can’t deplatform?” Is this about being able to port your data (and username/handle) out to a different instance?
- jgilias 2y ago
  Because there are no instances. There are relays that you post to, and that people use to fetch notes from. But there are no “user accounts” on the relays. If the note is signed by your private key, it comes from you, regardless of how it came to me. It can be through a bunch of relays. Relays can and do filter notes by pub key. To fight spam, and problematic content. But you as a user can always change the relay set that you post to. And, of course, host your own relay, which is pretty straightforward.
- nout 2y ago
  No, there are no instances, there are just caching servers called "relays" that are run by many different people. You create the content on your device and then send it to many of these relays (usually 10-20) and other users pull the content from also 10-20 relays. So if one relay decides to block you, then people still get your content from other relays. If all relays decide to block you, then you can (quite easily) run your own relay and tell your friends to pull the data from it. You own your data and you can resend it to wherever you want (it's signed by your private key, so it's verifiably from you).

by nout 2y ago

sitkack 2y ago

I don't know why your comment is being downvoted, first I heard of the protocol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostr https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr/ https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr/ Is that because of it being crypto adjacent?

jgilias 2y ago
It’s not really crypto adjacent. It is full of Bitcoin maxis who vehemently hate crypto though.
nout 2y ago
Yeah, probably. Nostr is quite hated by the Hacker News community from what I have observed. This is most likely because it's used by folks that are into freedom technologies that explicitly don't allow excluding any users from participating. And so it attracts people that are into bitcoin, Tor, cryptography, etc. "Crypto" is actually quite hated at Nostr and you get called out for bringing any stupid crypto coins. You are free to talk about anything though and the system can't block or exclude you, but people may mute you in their clients.

pseudocomposer 2y ago

What do you mean by “instance owners can’t deplatform?” Is this about being able to port your data (and username/handle) out to a different instance?

jgilias 2y ago
Because there are no instances. There are relays that you post to, and that people use to fetch notes from. But there are no “user accounts” on the relays. If the note is signed by your private key, it comes from you, regardless of how it came to me. It can be through a bunch of relays. Relays can and do filter notes by pub key. To fight spam, and problematic content. But you as a user can always change the relay set that you post to. And, of course, host your own relay, which is pretty straightforward.
nout 2y ago
No, there are no instances, there are just caching servers called "relays" that are run by many different people. You create the content on your device and then send it to many of these relays (usually 10-20) and other users pull the content from also 10-20 relays. So if one relay decides to block you, then people still get your content from other relays. If all relays decide to block you, then you can (quite easily) run your own relay and tell your friends to pull the data from it. You own your data and you can resend it to wherever you want (it's signed by your private key, so it's verifiably from you).