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Truth is subjective.

motorest 2y ago
> Truth is subjective. Any belief supported by lies and falsehoods cannot be described as truth. It's something else.
bdangubic 2y ago
opinion is subjective, truth means (can’t believe I have to write this) that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality. and it is not objective unless you live in a fantasy world half+ of this country lives in
vehemenz 2y ago
If you're so interested in philosophy, you should really study it. This kind of belief should have been beaten out of you in PHIL 101.
swat535 2y ago
Truth is absolutely _not_ subjective.. a person is either alive or dead, the earth is either flat or not flat, e = mc2 is either true or false, .. I could go on,
- datavirtue 2y ago
  I can agree with you on this point but when someone is standing on the earth they can prove it is flat. Then you zoom out and prove it is not. The flat earth person will just say: "that's not what I meant." Zoom out to the cosmos and think about the truth available to different observers. This same principle holds across the board. You have to reconcile with each observer, and until you do truth is subjective. I just have trouble stating that my objective truth is also someone else's objective truth. What if my information is "the Bible." You can split hairs with these people until you die of old age and they can technically be wrong but their truth can work for them. Just like we have all kinds of wild unintuitive math proofs that are very enlightening once they are communicated to all observers. Newtonian physics are true until they aren't, the same as those Bible "truths." Given the infinite probabilities of the universe I have trouble declaring a set of objective truths that are immutable and try to give people a pass on what they hold as true. Can anything be known? We settle on some truths that work for us in the little time we have.
swat535 2y ago
Truth is absolutely _not_ subjective.. a person is either alive or dead, the earth is either flat or not flat, e = mc2 is either true or false, .. I could go on. Reminds me of a quote from 1984: "In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it." [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_%2B_2_%3D_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_%2B_2_%3D_5

> Truth is subjective. Any belief supported by lies and falsehoods cannot be described as truth. It's something else.

opinion is subjective, truth means (can’t believe I have to write this) that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality. and it is not objective unless you live in a fantasy world half+ of this country lives in

vehemenz 2y ago

If you're so interested in philosophy, you should really study it. This kind of belief should have been beaten out of you in PHIL 101.

swat535 2y ago

Truth is absolutely _not_ subjective.. a person is either alive or dead, the earth is either flat or not flat, e = mc2 is either true or false, .. I could go on,

datavirtue 2y ago
I can agree with you on this point but when someone is standing on the earth they can prove it is flat. Then you zoom out and prove it is not. The flat earth person will just say: "that's not what I meant." Zoom out to the cosmos and think about the truth available to different observers. This same principle holds across the board. You have to reconcile with each observer, and until you do truth is subjective. I just have trouble stating that my objective truth is also someone else's objective truth. What if my information is "the Bible." You can split hairs with these people until you die of old age and they can technically be wrong but their truth can work for them. Just like we have all kinds of wild unintuitive math proofs that are very enlightening once they are communicated to all observers. Newtonian physics are true until they aren't, the same as those Bible "truths." Given the infinite probabilities of the universe I have trouble declaring a set of objective truths that are immutable and try to give people a pass on what they hold as true. Can anything be known? We settle on some truths that work for us in the little time we have.

swat535 2y ago

Truth is absolutely _not_ subjective.. a person is either alive or dead, the earth is either flat or not flat, e = mc2 is either true or false, .. I could go on. Reminds me of a quote from 1984: "In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it." [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_%2B_2_%3D_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_%2B_2_%3D_5