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HN ist also addictive for many people. So lets also ban it, ok?

by Lionga 2y ago

agumonkey 2y ago
There's no endless stream of short videos. That's the hook of these apps. A slow, bare, text only website is probably low on the dopamine trigger scale. Worst case scenario you're now addicted to post graduate conversations.
- amazingamazing 2y ago
  Text can be addictive though, silly and arbitrary distinction.
  - agumonkey 2y ago
    Hmm I'm no neurologist but I would place solid money on the fact that it really doesn't activate the same neurological circuits. Saying this because I had issues there and reading really change my brain patterns tangibly.
loloquwowndueo 2y ago
Plenty of articles documenting how TikTok is designed to be addictive. Show me equivalents for HN.
- a12k 2y ago
  Even that is not entirely relevant. I think the criteria here are likely actual addiction combined with harm from that addiction combined with scale of that harm. So even if we showed that HN was addictive, the harm and scale are so low that banning it shouldn't even be a conversation. Under the same framework, we have TikTok, which combines an algorithm designed for addiction, actual or imminent harm from a foreign power, and probably the most massive scale possible. So it seems within the realm of possibility that banning TikTok should be a discussion.
dangus 2y ago
You're looking at this in a binary way but there's a spectrum of addictiveness. Some things are a little bit addictive, some things are more addictive, and some things are intentionally designed to be addictive. Sure, there's some individual out there who spends 8 hours a day on HN and is completely addicted to it. But there are a much larger porportion of users on other platforms that are at that high level of addiction, because those platforms are designed to be addictive. Scrolling apps don't want you to leave. Ever. In contrast, HN stops you from commenting if you keep doing it too fast. Quick-access video and audio is particularly psycologically impactful.
pavlov 2y ago
We ban chemicals that are designed to be addictive to humans. The exception are substances that are addictive but also have high medical utility. Those are carefully controlled (sometimes less carefully of course — see OxyContin). It doesn’t seem impossible to make similar value judgments about social media apps, but clearly it’s even harder than with chemicals. HN ranks fairly low on the "designed to be addictive" scale, and fairly high on the utility scale. With TikTok, it's obvious that it's off the charts on the former while the latter is a very complicated value judgment.
electrondood 2y ago
HN is not intentionally engineered to be as addictive as possible now, is it?
yoyohello13 2y ago
Yes! That sound good to me actually.

HN ist also addictive for many people. So lets also ban it, ok?

by Lionga 2y ago

HN ist also addictive for many people. So lets also ban it, ok?

There's no endless stream of short videos. That's the hook of these apps. A slow, bare, text only website is probably low on the dopamine trigger scale. Worst case scenario you're now addicted to post graduate conversations.

amazingamazing 2y ago
Text can be addictive though, silly and arbitrary distinction.
- agumonkey 2y ago
  Hmm I'm no neurologist but I would place solid money on the fact that it really doesn't activate the same neurological circuits. Saying this because I had issues there and reading really change my brain patterns tangibly.

loloquwowndueo 2y ago

Plenty of articles documenting how TikTok is designed to be addictive. Show me equivalents for HN.

a12k 2y ago
Even that is not entirely relevant. I think the criteria here are likely actual addiction combined with harm from that addiction combined with scale of that harm. So even if we showed that HN was addictive, the harm and scale are so low that banning it shouldn't even be a conversation. Under the same framework, we have TikTok, which combines an algorithm designed for addiction, actual or imminent harm from a foreign power, and probably the most massive scale possible. So it seems within the realm of possibility that banning TikTok should be a discussion.

dangus 2y ago

You're looking at this in a binary way but there's a spectrum of addictiveness. Some things are a little bit addictive, some things are more addictive, and some things are intentionally designed to be addictive. Sure, there's some individual out there who spends 8 hours a day on HN and is completely addicted to it. But there are a much larger porportion of users on other platforms that are at that high level of addiction, because those platforms are designed to be addictive. Scrolling apps don't want you to leave. Ever. In contrast, HN stops you from commenting if you keep doing it too fast. Quick-access video and audio is particularly psycologically impactful.

pavlov 2y ago

We ban chemicals that are designed to be addictive to humans. The exception are substances that are addictive but also have high medical utility. Those are carefully controlled (sometimes less carefully of course — see OxyContin). It doesn’t seem impossible to make similar value judgments about social media apps, but clearly it’s even harder than with chemicals. HN ranks fairly low on the "designed to be addictive" scale, and fairly high on the utility scale. With TikTok, it's obvious that it's off the charts on the former while the latter is a very complicated value judgment.

electrondood 2y ago

HN is not intentionally engineered to be as addictive as possible now, is it?

yoyohello13 2y ago

Yes! That sound good to me actually.