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I wish they would have chosen a better name. Honestly if I have to install a Git server one day I’m gonna install Gitea, not a tool I can’t even pronounce. Nam

by thiht 2y ago

I wish they would have chosen a better name. Honestly if I have to install a Git server one day I’m gonna install Gitea, not a tool I can’t even pronounce. Names are important, this is why I also don’t use DuckDuckGo. The reasons for forking from Gitea were also a bit weak in my opinion.

runiq 2y ago
That's a weak reason and you know it.
- tasuki 2y ago
  I think they don't.
- homebrewer 2y ago
  It might not be a very strong reason, but quite enough to pick the original project which also has more development effort behind it (and is still used by Blender FWIW, I don't think they have any plans of migrating). I understand your first language is German. Figures. The name is unpronounceable and feels weird to me also. If we ever migrate from gitea (although I currently see no reason to do it), I'll have to pick some generic term and introduce it to others under that name.
  - rmgk 2y ago
    > I understand your first language is German. Figures. I assume your argument is: “Everyone who had to learn English as a second language is so used to completely random pronunciation that they won’t complain about anything anymore”.
    - homebrewer 2y ago
      It's just that German is close enough to Esperanto that I'm personally not particularly interested in what a German speaker thinks about the name. Ask a Mandarin/Japanese/Arabic/Ewe/Telugu/etc. speaker what they think. (My first language is quite far away from both English and Esperanto, probably should have mentioned that in the original message.)
      - rmgk 2y ago
        Maybe, but the pronunciation of the forge part is essentially just the English one (at least much, much closer to an attempted German pronunciation). The jo part is close to German though, so maybe this is why it’s not too bad for someone who knows English and German. And everyone else gets to dislike at least some part of it :-)
- thiht 2y ago
  I know. But I don’t want to use something with a naming sounding weird that I actively hate, especially when there are alternatives with a better name.
tasuki 2y ago
> Names are important, this is why I also don’t use DuckDuckGo. You won't use DuckDuckGo because of the name? DuckDuckGo is so tricky to write on mobile that I copy pasted from your comment, but that doesn't stop me from using it. For me, googlability of names is important, but otherwise I don't care. I'm really curious about your reasoning. Does it offend your aesthetic sensibilities? Do you think people who would choose such a name can't be trusted with search? Or something else entirely?
- homebrewer 2y ago
  Use ddg.co on mobile.
  - mkl 2y ago
    Or ddg.gg - quicker to type.
    - rawkode 2y ago
      duck.com too
      - arccy 2y ago
        a phisher's dream: anything remotely related to ducks might be a real domain
  - thiht 2y ago
    It redirects to DuckDuckGo, the name is still written full size, and their stupid logo is still there. Give me ddg.co or duck.com with no redirect, no branding and no logo and I’ll use it.
    - zufallsheld 2y ago
      So what search engine without branding and logo do you use?
isodev 2y ago
> I can’t even pronounce Even if one is somehow monolingual, forgejo is a perfectly fine word in English. There are even multiple ways to make it sound funny (forge-joe, forge-yo, etc).
- xeonmc 2y ago
  for-get-hoe
rollcat 2y ago
> a tool I can’t even pronounce jazzyjackson provided the pronunciation guide in a comment above: > forˈd͡ʒe.jo, to my midwestern ear, "4 Jay yo" It's totally OK for a project to use words from a foreign language. "Linux" is derived from Finnish Linus (/ˈliːnʊs/) and pronounced /ˈlɪn.əks/, unlike the English Linus - /lɑ́jnəs/. IMHO Forgejo should have the IPA pronunciation spelled out on the landing page. > this is why I also don’t use DuckDuckGo Just how silly "Google" sounded when it first popped up? How Torvalds joked that he named "git" after himself? "Bash" is a play on "Bourne" and "born again"? Silly names are a part of the hacker culture, remaining playful despite the product having huge impact brings color to people's lives.
- bmacho 2y ago
  off: google translate English lady pronounces it as "4 Jay ho" with an H. That isn't how a native English speaker would attempt to pronounce Forgejo, is it?
  - wpm 2y ago
    Honestly, who cares? I pronounce it Forge-oh. I don’t give a crap if it’s “correct”.
    - rollcat 2y ago
      Well, language nerds do, myself included. Also honestly, I don't care when people mispronounce words, as long as they can convey the meaning clearly enough.
- thiht 2y ago
  > Just how silly "Google" sounded when it first popped up? How Torvalds joked that he named "git" after himself? I knew these examples were coming. Subjectively speaking, these are catchy names, which is why they work. Forjego and DuckDuckGo are not catchy, there's something wrong with their flow. Maybe they're too long or too "breaking", or maybe they don't work internationally (I'm French) somehow, I don't know. I'm not going to write a thesis on why some names don't work, but if someone did I would love it. Silly names are ok but there's a very thin line between "silly" and "annoying". DuckDuckGo definitely crosses it for me.
HackOfAllTrades 2y ago
Clearly Postgres is not a good database and you will wisely use any other. I can see real advantages to this. It saves you so much effort and time. In fact, it allows you to make no effort at all.
- thiht 2y ago
  Why? I don't think Postgres is a bad name, it's not great but not terrible.
- remram 2y ago
  I have never heard anyone mispronounce postgres. It's even more straightforward than Gitea, which native-roman-language-speakers might pronounce "git-tay-ah"
  - yencabulator 2y ago
    You're missing the fact that the name is not even Postgres, it's PostgreSQL, /ˌpoʊstɡrɛskjuˈɛl/ POHST-gres-kew-EL. It's so awkward people actively avoid even typing it! https://www.postgresql.org/files/postgresql.mp3 https://www.postgresql.org/files/postgresql.mp3
toastercat 2y ago
Yep, same reason I never used Google, or ffmpeg, or Debian, or Kubernetes.

by thiht 2y ago

runiq 2y ago

That's a weak reason and you know it.

tasuki 2y ago
I think they don't.
homebrewer 2y ago
It might not be a very strong reason, but quite enough to pick the original project which also has more development effort behind it (and is still used by Blender FWIW, I don't think they have any plans of migrating). I understand your first language is German. Figures. The name is unpronounceable and feels weird to me also. If we ever migrate from gitea (although I currently see no reason to do it), I'll have to pick some generic term and introduce it to others under that name.
- rmgk 2y ago
  > I understand your first language is German. Figures. I assume your argument is: “Everyone who had to learn English as a second language is so used to completely random pronunciation that they won’t complain about anything anymore”.
  - homebrewer 2y ago
    It's just that German is close enough to Esperanto that I'm personally not particularly interested in what a German speaker thinks about the name. Ask a Mandarin/Japanese/Arabic/Ewe/Telugu/etc. speaker what they think. (My first language is quite far away from both English and Esperanto, probably should have mentioned that in the original message.)
    - rmgk 2y ago
      Maybe, but the pronunciation of the forge part is essentially just the English one (at least much, much closer to an attempted German pronunciation). The jo part is close to German though, so maybe this is why it’s not too bad for someone who knows English and German. And everyone else gets to dislike at least some part of it :-)
thiht 2y ago
I know. But I don’t want to use something with a naming sounding weird that I actively hate, especially when there are alternatives with a better name.

tasuki 2y ago

> Names are important, this is why I also don’t use DuckDuckGo. You won't use DuckDuckGo because of the name? DuckDuckGo is so tricky to write on mobile that I copy pasted from your comment, but that doesn't stop me from using it. For me, googlability of names is important, but otherwise I don't care. I'm really curious about your reasoning. Does it offend your aesthetic sensibilities? Do you think people who would choose such a name can't be trusted with search? Or something else entirely?

homebrewer 2y ago
Use ddg.co on mobile.
- mkl 2y ago
  Or ddg.gg - quicker to type.
  - rawkode 2y ago
    duck.com too
    - arccy 2y ago
      a phisher's dream: anything remotely related to ducks might be a real domain
- thiht 2y ago
  It redirects to DuckDuckGo, the name is still written full size, and their stupid logo is still there. Give me ddg.co or duck.com with no redirect, no branding and no logo and I’ll use it.
  - zufallsheld 2y ago
    So what search engine without branding and logo do you use?

isodev 2y ago

> I can’t even pronounce Even if one is somehow monolingual, forgejo is a perfectly fine word in English. There are even multiple ways to make it sound funny (forge-joe, forge-yo, etc).

xeonmc 2y ago
for-get-hoe

rollcat 2y ago

> a tool I can’t even pronounce jazzyjackson provided the pronunciation guide in a comment above: > forˈd͡ʒe.jo, to my midwestern ear, "4 Jay yo" It's totally OK for a project to use words from a foreign language. "Linux" is derived from Finnish Linus (/ˈliːnʊs/) and pronounced /ˈlɪn.əks/, unlike the English Linus - /lɑ́jnəs/. IMHO Forgejo should have the IPA pronunciation spelled out on the landing page. > this is why I also don’t use DuckDuckGo Just how silly "Google" sounded when it first popped up? How Torvalds joked that he named "git" after himself? "Bash" is a play on "Bourne" and "born again"? Silly names are a part of the hacker culture, remaining playful despite the product having huge impact brings color to people's lives.

bmacho 2y ago
off: google translate English lady pronounces it as "4 Jay ho" with an H. That isn't how a native English speaker would attempt to pronounce Forgejo, is it?
- wpm 2y ago
  Honestly, who cares? I pronounce it Forge-oh. I don’t give a crap if it’s “correct”.
  - rollcat 2y ago
    Well, language nerds do, myself included. Also honestly, I don't care when people mispronounce words, as long as they can convey the meaning clearly enough.
thiht 2y ago
> Just how silly "Google" sounded when it first popped up? How Torvalds joked that he named "git" after himself? I knew these examples were coming. Subjectively speaking, these are catchy names, which is why they work. Forjego and DuckDuckGo are not catchy, there's something wrong with their flow. Maybe they're too long or too "breaking", or maybe they don't work internationally (I'm French) somehow, I don't know. I'm not going to write a thesis on why some names don't work, but if someone did I would love it. Silly names are ok but there's a very thin line between "silly" and "annoying". DuckDuckGo definitely crosses it for me.

HackOfAllTrades 2y ago

Clearly Postgres is not a good database and you will wisely use any other. I can see real advantages to this. It saves you so much effort and time. In fact, it allows you to make no effort at all.

thiht 2y ago
Why? I don't think Postgres is a bad name, it's not great but not terrible.
remram 2y ago
I have never heard anyone mispronounce postgres. It's even more straightforward than Gitea, which native-roman-language-speakers might pronounce "git-tay-ah"
- yencabulator 2y ago
  You're missing the fact that the name is not even Postgres, it's PostgreSQL, /ˌpoʊstɡrɛskjuˈɛl/ POHST-gres-kew-EL. It's so awkward people actively avoid even typing it! https://www.postgresql.org/files/postgresql.mp3 https://www.postgresql.org/files/postgresql.mp3

toastercat 2y ago

Yep, same reason I never used Google, or ffmpeg, or Debian, or Kubernetes.