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ATProto is an interesting technology but the Bluesky app itself is seriously flawed as a Twitter/X competitor. Probably the worst feature is the "nuclear block

by aintly 2y ago

ATProto is an interesting technology but the Bluesky app itself is seriously flawed as a Twitter/X competitor. Probably the worst feature is the "nuclear block" which allows a single user to completely disrupt a conversation: if one user blocks any other user in the thread, this removes the blocked user's replies for everyone else reading the thread, and severs the connection between posts so that even if you go directly to a post from the blocked user you can't see what post they were replying to or any of the rest of the thread above that. There are partial workarounds to this with third-party websites that attempt to piece together the thread from various other API calls, but these aren't perfect and it's annoying to have to do this to understand the context of a conversation full of blocked posts.

jazzyjackson 2y ago
Ugh, reading that gave my flashbacks to clubhouse moderation, how one person blocking you would prevent you from seeing any room they were speaking in, how you get silently kicked from a room if someone who blocked you is upgraded from audience to speaker, and if someone who has you blocked joins a room you’re already in, cue Fred Armison, believe it or not, straight to jail! Worst of all this was all opaque to the user on both ends, manifesting as merely glitchy behavior, but I was causal in blocking people who annoyed me because I didn’t think there were any consequences besides not being able to follow/DM me, and this guy I didn’t know ended up contacting a mutual friend begging me to unblock them because I had suddenly excluded them from all the rooms that we were both spending time in! Maybe there needs to be more nuance in the block button, like, what kind of restraining order are you looking for here, don’t call me? Or don’t ever interact with me or my friends ever again? Platform needs to make consequences of hitting that button clear tho.
add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
Stay on Twitter I guess if comments sections of people yelling at each other is what you think the good content is?
consumer451 2y ago
This is an interesting feature. Basically, it allows OP to be a dang, or reddit-style mod of their own thread. Negative: If OP is not interested in opposing views, they can shut that down. Plus: the option to kill trolls, dead. These types of design decisions all have plusses and minuses, but I am in favor of killing trolls given that if someone is militantly not into hearing opposing views, I can just not follow them.
jeromegv 2y ago
For me it’s a great feature. If there’s a troll or an harasser, this remove their influence a lot because this kill all their work instantly. It makes the person posting in charge of their own replies.
- xigoi 2y ago
  > It makes the person posting in charge of their own replies. I think replies should be owned by the one posting them, not the one they’re replying to.
  - Permik 2y ago
    You can always quote/embed the thread you're replying to "own" the reply that you're making. I think you can understand the point I'm trying to make if you keep in mind that Bsky is essentially a microblog. (For the dinosaurs, a newspaper) Each profile gets the right and the burden/responsibility of moderating/editorializing their page as they see fit. It's _totally normal_ that you can't force a newspaper or a blog to publish content that they don't want to publish. And in the meatspace, if you want to get your voice/reply/commentary heard, you make your own blog/newspaper. People have the right to make their voice/opinion/commentary heard, but you can't force other people to associate/publish/republish your message to their readers. You have the right to your own opinion, but only on your own personal forum, otherwise it's open to the court of public opinion and can be restricted if on someone else's forum.

by aintly 2y ago

jazzyjackson 2y ago

Ugh, reading that gave my flashbacks to clubhouse moderation, how one person blocking you would prevent you from seeing any room they were speaking in, how you get silently kicked from a room if someone who blocked you is upgraded from audience to speaker, and if someone who has you blocked joins a room you’re already in, cue Fred Armison, believe it or not, straight to jail! Worst of all this was all opaque to the user on both ends, manifesting as merely glitchy behavior, but I was causal in blocking people who annoyed me because I didn’t think there were any consequences besides not being able to follow/DM me, and this guy I didn’t know ended up contacting a mutual friend begging me to unblock them because I had suddenly excluded them from all the rooms that we were both spending time in! Maybe there needs to be more nuance in the block button, like, what kind of restraining order are you looking for here, don’t call me? Or don’t ever interact with me or my friends ever again? Platform needs to make consequences of hitting that button clear tho.

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago

Stay on Twitter I guess if comments sections of people yelling at each other is what you think the good content is?

consumer451 2y ago

This is an interesting feature. Basically, it allows OP to be a dang, or reddit-style mod of their own thread. Negative: If OP is not interested in opposing views, they can shut that down. Plus: the option to kill trolls, dead. These types of design decisions all have plusses and minuses, but I am in favor of killing trolls given that if someone is militantly not into hearing opposing views, I can just not follow them.

jeromegv 2y ago

For me it’s a great feature. If there’s a troll or an harasser, this remove their influence a lot because this kill all their work instantly. It makes the person posting in charge of their own replies.

xigoi 2y ago
> It makes the person posting in charge of their own replies. I think replies should be owned by the one posting them, not the one they’re replying to.
- Permik 2y ago
  You can always quote/embed the thread you're replying to "own" the reply that you're making. I think you can understand the point I'm trying to make if you keep in mind that Bsky is essentially a microblog. (For the dinosaurs, a newspaper) Each profile gets the right and the burden/responsibility of moderating/editorializing their page as they see fit. It's _totally normal_ that you can't force a newspaper or a blog to publish content that they don't want to publish. And in the meatspace, if you want to get your voice/reply/commentary heard, you make your own blog/newspaper. People have the right to make their voice/opinion/commentary heard, but you can't force other people to associate/publish/republish your message to their readers. You have the right to your own opinion, but only on your own personal forum, otherwise it's open to the court of public opinion and can be restricted if on someone else's forum.