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> Indians and Chinese are no longer considered minorities in the US, so it makes sense to curb the influx. Why would this ever be rational a basis for immigrat

> Indians and Chinese are no longer considered minorities in the US, so it makes sense to curb the influx. Why would this ever be rational a basis for immigration?

rednafi 2y ago
It's not rational at all. India and China are huge, and subjecting them to the same quota as a tiny island is irrational.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  What would be rational quotas for countries that have over 1B people?
  - addicted 2y ago
    How about no quota at all based on nationality (actually place of birth) when you already have a limit of 65k visas a year being apportioned by lottery.
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      Very unlikely. The per country quota is to limit influence of any one country via immigration.
    - rednafi 2y ago
      Then one country would clog up the entire system.
- thfuran 2y ago
  Why should the population of the country even be a factor in deciding how many immigrants we'll accept from there?
tomohelix 2y ago
Not saying it is the actual reason, but one rationale is that you don't want a sudden influx of a single demographic taking over the nation and disproportionately affect policy making and culture.
- addicted 2y ago
  It would take 100 years for a single demographic if they were using all the 65000 annual H1B visas to reach 2% of the population assuming the population doesn’t grow for a century. This argument makes no sense at all.
  - lispisok 2y ago
    Hasnt happened at the country level but has happened at the company level
  - rednafi 2y ago
    As someone mentioned: > Hasnt happened at the country level but has happened at the company level Yep, I've seen a company completely taken over by a single nationality and the result wasn't anything to be happy about.
  - tomohelix 2y ago
    First, are we talking about the green card or H1B? There is no quota on H1B and we already see a shift in culture and demographic in many companies. Second, an immigrant can take their spouse, have kids, sponsor their families' visas, etc. Any one of these will double their demographic's representation, and they are not mutually exclusive, i.e. it can easily be triple or quadruple, or more.
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    - sashank_1509 2y ago
      > There is no quota on H1b. There is no per-country quota on H1b, but the total number of H1bs are capped to 85000, (and close to 100k if you include research / non profits) a year. A lot of this feels like a worry over the fact that many tech companies now are no longer majority American (or white), with Meta being the first tech company that’s fallen below the 50% threshold. Probably other companies will fall soon, looking at the trends. Has Meta’s culture been destroyed? I don’t know, feels like Mark has far more control over Metas culture than the immigrants who choose to work there.
mavelikara 2y ago
s/immigration/skilled immigration

> Indians and Chinese are no longer considered minorities in the US, so it makes sense to curb the influx. Why would this ever be rational a basis for immigration?

rednafi 2y ago

It's not rational at all. India and China are huge, and subjecting them to the same quota as a tiny island is irrational.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
What would be rational quotas for countries that have over 1B people?
- addicted 2y ago
  How about no quota at all based on nationality (actually place of birth) when you already have a limit of 65k visas a year being apportioned by lottery.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    Very unlikely. The per country quota is to limit influence of any one country via immigration.
  - rednafi 2y ago
    Then one country would clog up the entire system.
thfuran 2y ago
Why should the population of the country even be a factor in deciding how many immigrants we'll accept from there?

tomohelix 2y ago

Not saying it is the actual reason, but one rationale is that you don't want a sudden influx of a single demographic taking over the nation and disproportionately affect policy making and culture.

addicted 2y ago
It would take 100 years for a single demographic if they were using all the 65000 annual H1B visas to reach 2% of the population assuming the population doesn’t grow for a century. This argument makes no sense at all.
- lispisok 2y ago
  Hasnt happened at the country level but has happened at the company level
- rednafi 2y ago
  As someone mentioned: > Hasnt happened at the country level but has happened at the company level Yep, I've seen a company completely taken over by a single nationality and the result wasn't anything to be happy about.
- tomohelix 2y ago
  First, are we talking about the green card or H1B? There is no quota on H1B and we already see a shift in culture and demographic in many companies. Second, an immigrant can take their spouse, have kids, sponsor their families' visas, etc. Any one of these will double their demographic's representation, and they are not mutually exclusive, i.e. it can easily be triple or quadruple, or more.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - sashank_1509 2y ago
    > There is no quota on H1b. There is no per-country quota on H1b, but the total number of H1bs are capped to 85000, (and close to 100k if you include research / non profits) a year. A lot of this feels like a worry over the fact that many tech companies now are no longer majority American (or white), with Meta being the first tech company that’s fallen below the 50% threshold. Probably other companies will fall soon, looking at the trends. Has Meta’s culture been destroyed? I don’t know, feels like Mark has far more control over Metas culture than the immigrants who choose to work there.

mavelikara 2y ago

s/immigration/skilled immigration