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OK since no one else has said it yet, "according to a source familiar with the details"[1] (I know) Trump has basically told Netanyahu to agree to the ceasefire

OK since no one else has said it yet, "according to a source familiar with the details"[1] (I know) Trump has basically told Netanyahu to agree to the ceasefire including the return of hostages. Then if they decide to break the ceasefire and go back to relentless bombings, Trump will still continue to support them. So it could be a tactic to get Hamas to release whatever hostages are still alive, then get right back to the new status quo. This actually makes perfect sense for Trump. He's only claimed to care about the Israeli hostages. I'm sure he feels great about taking credit for their return. [1]: https://trendsinthenews.substack.com/p/gerald-celente-on-gaza-ceasefire https://trendsinthenews.substack.com/p/gerald-celente-on-gaz...

techdragon 2y ago
Sadly I suspect this will be the case… I don’t hold much hope on this whole thing actually ending… but I do have a glimmer of hope that they may have reached a tipping point due to one of the many slowly shifting parts of this tragedy… no idea what the tipping point is from the outside but it does kinda have the vibe of “maybe this is going to fall apart if they keep pushing”
whycome 2y ago
Wouldn't trumps best course of action have been to wait two weeks and make it seem like it was all because of him?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Wouldn't trumps best course of action have been to wait two weeks and make it seem like it was all because of him? No. He's getting the credit now. And he got it while maneuvering risk free.
bushbaba 2y ago
Hamas broke the last ceasefire. Israel doesn’t need to do anything as it’s expected there will be a Hamas offshoot group who launches a rocket into Israeli civilian areas thus restarting the need for Israel to defend itself.
amluto 2y ago
Would there really be much support within Israel to continue the war if all the hostages were already released?
- coffeebeqn 2y ago
  What are their goals at this point? Looks to me as an outsider like they’ve had multiple wins and should take that. Hezbollah, Syria, successful strike on Irans missile facilities, Gaza is a pile of rubble.
  - edanm 2y ago
    The goal is to eliminate Hamas, or at least prevent them for returning to rule the Gaza strip. That has not been accomplished.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > goal is to eliminate Hamas, or at least prevent them for returning to rule the Gaza strip. That has not been accomplished Can it be? Hamas were idiots for launching the October 7th attack. In part because they trashed any moral high ground they might have had by attacking both military and civilians. In part because they picked a fight they couldn't win. (Granted, they counted on regional support that number came.) At what point does Israel prosecuting its own Vietnam in Gaza meet the same razor?
      - edanm 2y ago
        > Can it be? I have no idea. The common criticism is that Netanyahu never really worked on a day-after plan, so while the IDF managed to take lots of territories and gain many military victories, there was no clear idea of what to do when the fighting stops, which allowed Hamas to re-take areas that were already taken, and to set themselves up for the future. I think ideally what should have been done is setting up alternative leadership in Gaza, namely the PA with assistance from Saudi Arabia or something like that. But I wouldn't be surprised to learn that in back-channels, the PA was asked to take this kind of role and basically said "until Hamas is gone, it's too risky for us, please finish off Hamas first". > At what point does Israel prosecuting its own Vietnam in Gaza meet the same razor? I mean, people make these kinds of comparisons all the time and insinuate that Israel should stop fighting. But the Vietnam war lasted, what, twenty years? And it was far less important to the US's security than this war is to Israel. As Ezra Klein once said, if you look at the timeline of the US's reaction to 9/11 and map it onto Israel's reaction to October 7th, the US had still not even begun the Iraq war by this stage - it started more than two years after 9/11 iirc. (I'm not saying that I think the war should continue, btw - I'm very much in favor of this current deal, and I highly suspect the war is dragging on for political reasons and not actual reasons of security, which is both harmful to Israel in various ways, and devastating to the civilians of Gaza, who deserve so much better than their current situation. Ideally Israel could take out Hamas which would be better for the people of Gaza themselves, but it's unclear if that's possible, and the price they are paying in the meantime is far too high!)
jhanschoo 2y ago
Well, we will know within the year how it turns out.

techdragon 2y ago

Sadly I suspect this will be the case… I don’t hold much hope on this whole thing actually ending… but I do have a glimmer of hope that they may have reached a tipping point due to one of the many slowly shifting parts of this tragedy… no idea what the tipping point is from the outside but it does kinda have the vibe of “maybe this is going to fall apart if they keep pushing”

whycome 2y ago

Wouldn't trumps best course of action have been to wait two weeks and make it seem like it was all because of him?

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Wouldn't trumps best course of action have been to wait two weeks and make it seem like it was all because of him? No. He's getting the credit now. And he got it while maneuvering risk free.

bushbaba 2y ago

Hamas broke the last ceasefire. Israel doesn’t need to do anything as it’s expected there will be a Hamas offshoot group who launches a rocket into Israeli civilian areas thus restarting the need for Israel to defend itself.

amluto 2y ago

Would there really be much support within Israel to continue the war if all the hostages were already released?

coffeebeqn 2y ago
What are their goals at this point? Looks to me as an outsider like they’ve had multiple wins and should take that. Hezbollah, Syria, successful strike on Irans missile facilities, Gaza is a pile of rubble.
- edanm 2y ago
  The goal is to eliminate Hamas, or at least prevent them for returning to rule the Gaza strip. That has not been accomplished.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > goal is to eliminate Hamas, or at least prevent them for returning to rule the Gaza strip. That has not been accomplished Can it be? Hamas were idiots for launching the October 7th attack. In part because they trashed any moral high ground they might have had by attacking both military and civilians. In part because they picked a fight they couldn't win. (Granted, they counted on regional support that number came.) At what point does Israel prosecuting its own Vietnam in Gaza meet the same razor?
    - edanm 2y ago
      > Can it be? I have no idea. The common criticism is that Netanyahu never really worked on a day-after plan, so while the IDF managed to take lots of territories and gain many military victories, there was no clear idea of what to do when the fighting stops, which allowed Hamas to re-take areas that were already taken, and to set themselves up for the future. I think ideally what should have been done is setting up alternative leadership in Gaza, namely the PA with assistance from Saudi Arabia or something like that. But I wouldn't be surprised to learn that in back-channels, the PA was asked to take this kind of role and basically said "until Hamas is gone, it's too risky for us, please finish off Hamas first". > At what point does Israel prosecuting its own Vietnam in Gaza meet the same razor? I mean, people make these kinds of comparisons all the time and insinuate that Israel should stop fighting. But the Vietnam war lasted, what, twenty years? And it was far less important to the US's security than this war is to Israel. As Ezra Klein once said, if you look at the timeline of the US's reaction to 9/11 and map it onto Israel's reaction to October 7th, the US had still not even begun the Iraq war by this stage - it started more than two years after 9/11 iirc. (I'm not saying that I think the war should continue, btw - I'm very much in favor of this current deal, and I highly suspect the war is dragging on for political reasons and not actual reasons of security, which is both harmful to Israel in various ways, and devastating to the civilians of Gaza, who deserve so much better than their current situation. Ideally Israel could take out Hamas which would be better for the people of Gaza themselves, but it's unclear if that's possible, and the price they are paying in the meantime is far too high!)

jhanschoo 2y ago

Well, we will know within the year how it turns out.