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I feel people defend them by opposing any other approach to solving this. Politicians in particular say things like "preserving customer choice", which I think

I feel people defend them by opposing any other approach to solving this. Politicians in particular say things like "preserving customer choice", which I think just means having the ability to select among all the terrible insurance companies who will treat you poorly.

jsheard 2y ago
That excuse doesn't even hold up because in places like the UK which have universal healthcare, private health insurance still exists alongside it as a "premium" option. That's more choice!
Kon-Peki 2y ago
> Politicians in particular say things like "preserving customer choice" But that’s not shocking. Lobbyists and campaign donations make such behavior expected.
wlesieutre 2y ago
And shouting about "death panels" in public healthcare systems, as if the private insurance companies don't have people whose whole job is denying as many claims as possible
- kstrauser 2y ago
  Yeah. The biggest difference is you can elect the public healthcare death panels, or call your senator or representative to lean on them. There's not a thing you can do about the private insurers' death panels. Medicare may turn you down for an organ transplant because there are only so many to go around and you're not the best candidate. Private insurance may turn you down because "shareholder value".
  - nradov 2y ago
    Payers don't really play any role in allocating the limited supply of transplant organs. https://optn.transplant.hrsa.gov/patients/about-transplantation/how-organ-allocation-works/ https://optn.transplant.hrsa.gov/patients/about-transplantat...
- outworlder 2y ago
  They will also complain about waiting times - as if you don't wait with private insurance companies. That is after you convince them that your procedure or exam is even needed, which can be a long protracted fight in itself.
cibyr 2y ago
Most people don't even get the ability to select among all the terrible insurance companies - their employer chooses for them!
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  Technically, they have the ability to choose whoever they want, they just have to pay full price with post tax income. If people accept their employer's choice, then they get to pay for a lower, employer subsidized premium with pre tax income.
  - brightball 2y ago
    That is one thing that would fix this problem fast. Let individuals tax deduct the price of their health insurance directly. There’s no reason it should only be up to your employer.

jsheard 2y ago

That excuse doesn't even hold up because in places like the UK which have universal healthcare, private health insurance still exists alongside it as a "premium" option. That's more choice!

Kon-Peki 2y ago

> Politicians in particular say things like "preserving customer choice" But that’s not shocking. Lobbyists and campaign donations make such behavior expected.

wlesieutre 2y ago

And shouting about "death panels" in public healthcare systems, as if the private insurance companies don't have people whose whole job is denying as many claims as possible

kstrauser 2y ago
Yeah. The biggest difference is you can elect the public healthcare death panels, or call your senator or representative to lean on them. There's not a thing you can do about the private insurers' death panels. Medicare may turn you down for an organ transplant because there are only so many to go around and you're not the best candidate. Private insurance may turn you down because "shareholder value".
- nradov 2y ago
  Payers don't really play any role in allocating the limited supply of transplant organs. https://optn.transplant.hrsa.gov/patients/about-transplantation/how-organ-allocation-works/ https://optn.transplant.hrsa.gov/patients/about-transplantat...
outworlder 2y ago
They will also complain about waiting times - as if you don't wait with private insurance companies. That is after you convince them that your procedure or exam is even needed, which can be a long protracted fight in itself.

cibyr 2y ago

Most people don't even get the ability to select among all the terrible insurance companies - their employer chooses for them!

lotsofpulp 2y ago
Technically, they have the ability to choose whoever they want, they just have to pay full price with post tax income. If people accept their employer's choice, then they get to pay for a lower, employer subsidized premium with pre tax income.
- brightball 2y ago
  That is one thing that would fix this problem fast. Let individuals tax deduct the price of their health insurance directly. There’s no reason it should only be up to your employer.