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Only if they actually cause cancer. The FDA's statement (https://www.fda.gov/food/hfp-constituent-updates/fda-revoke-authorization-use-red-no-3-food-and-ingeste
by will4274 2y ago
Only if they actually cause cancer. The FDA's statement (https://www.fda.gov/food/hfp-constituent-updates/fda-revoke-authorization-use-red-no-3-food-and-ingested-drugs https://www.fda.gov/food/hfp-constituent-updates/fda-revoke-...) says:
> The way that FD&C Red No. 3 causes cancer in male rats does not occur in humans. Relevant exposure levels to FD&C Red No. 3 for humans are typically much lower than those that cause the effects shown in male rats. Studies in other animals and in humans did not show these effects; claims that the use of FD&C Red No. 3 in food and in ingested drugs puts people at risk are not supported by the available scientific information.
if "these sort of things" aren't actually harmful, and what we see in Europe is mostly governments reacting to unscientific panic among their citizens, then I'd say it's other countries that are wild, not the United States.
- SV_BubbleTime 2y agoI think I care about more than cancer. What if I cared about genetic defects, ADHD, mental health, water contamination, obesity… Maybe if the dye served ANY purpose besides getting people to eat more of it, I could find a bit of care to not remove it from foods.
- thfuran 2y agoShould all things that have only benefits that you don't care about and which aren't proven to have no downsides you care about be banned?
- will4274 2y agoWell, if you read the quote in my comment (or clicked on the source link I included), you would see that the FDA evaluated it for health risks all-up, not just cancer. Your comment violates the following hacker news guideline: > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html for the full set.
- bpodgursky 2y ago[flagged]
- myroon5 2y agoCancer is also caused by lifestyle, diet, smoking, drinking, pollution, radiation, viral infections, etc.
- bitwize 2y agoThe European approach is: if it doesn't look on your plate the way it looked on the hoof or on the plant, it's probably not good to consume. This is a much better heuristic than "we haven't found any adverse effects yet, so call it GRAS". Science is great at determining the presence of specific effects. It's not so good at finding an absence of effect.
- will4274 2y ago> The European approach is: if it doesn't look on your plate the way it looked on the hoof or on the plant, it's probably not good to consume. I mean, that's just not true. Fruit Loops are sold in Europe as well (albeit with slightly different colors), and there's no hoof or plant that produces anything that looks like Fruit Loops. Food coloring is a worldwide phenomenon.
- EasyMark 2y agoThe fruit loops in Europe have natural food coloring which isn't known to cause cancer like red #3 (for instance)
- kbelder 2y ago>The fruit loops in Europe have natural food coloring which isn't known to cause cancer Same for the fruit loops in the US.
- EasyMark 2y agoare you just being obtuse about the artificial colors? that's what we were discussing. there are -only- natural colors in the European version vs the American one, in particular Red 40 is associated with cancer which is what we're talking about here Official US Nutrition Label Information Froot Loops for Schools S NLI_13580_01-02-2018_Public Kellogg Company - Proprietary Flavor Descriptor NLI Description Brand Serving Size Serving Size g Serving Size oz Calories Calories from Fat Total Fat 1 g 2 % % Saturated Fat 0.5 g 3 % % Trans Fat 0 g Polyunsaturated Fat Monounsaturated Fat Cholesterol 0 mg 0 % % Sodium 160 mg 7 % % Calories 389 Vitamin D 143 IU Potassium % % Calories from fat 36 Vitamin E 0 IU Total Carbohydrate 24 g 8 % % Total Fat 4.1 g Vitamin K NA mcg Dietary Fiber 2 g 7 % % Saturated Fat 1.9 g Thiamin 1.34 mg Soluble Fiber Polyunsaturated Fat 1.3 g Riboflavin 1.52 mg Insolube Fiber Monounsaturated Fat 0.7 g Niacin 17.9 mg Sugars 8 g Trans Fat 0.0 g Vitamin B6 1.79 mg Sugar Alcohol Cholesterol 0 mg Folic Acid 357 mcg Other Carbohydrate Sodium 571 mg Vitamin B12 5.4 mcg Protein 2 g % % Potassium 171 mg Biotin NA mcg Vitamin A 10 % % Total Carbohydrate 86.6 g Pantothenic Acid NA mg Vitamin C 25 % % Dietary Fiber 6.2 g Phosphorus 83 mg Calcium 0 % % Soluble Fiber 1.4 g Iodine NA mcg Iron 25 % % Insoluble Fiber 4.9 g Magnesium 40 mg Vitamin D 10 % % Sugars 28.4 g Zinc 5.4 mg Vitamin E % % Sugar Alcohols NA g Selenium NA mcg Vitamin K % % 2,000 2,500 Protein 6.4 g Copper NA mg Thiamin 25 % % Total Fat 65g 80g Vitamin A 1786 IU Manganese NA mg Riboflavin 25 % % Sat. Fat 20g 25g Vitamin C 54 mg Chromium NA mcg Niacin 25 % % Cholesterol 300mg 300mg Calcium 13.3 mg Molybdenum NA mcg Vitamin B6 25 % % Sodium 2,400mg 2,400mg Iron 16.1 mg Moisture 2.5 % Folic Acid 25 % % Potassium 3,500mg 3,500mg Ash 0.4 % Vitamin B12 25 % % Total Carbohydrate 300g 375g Biotin % % Dietary Fiber 25g 30g Pantothenic Acid % % Protein 50g 65g 00038000787881 96 Phosphorus % % 00038000926334 1 Iodine % % Magnesium % % 00038000787928 Zinc 10 % % Selenium % % Copper % % Manganese % % Chromium % % Molybdenum % % NA = values do not exist or are incomplete. INGREDIENTS: CORN FLOUR BLEND (WHOLE GRAIN YELLOW CORN FLOUR, DEGERMINATED YELLOW CORN FLOUR), SUGAR, WHEAT FLOUR, WHOLE GRAIN OAT FLOUR, CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF OAT FIBER, HYDROGENATED VEGETABLE OIL (COCONUT, SOYBEAN AND/OR COTTONSEED), SALT, SOLUBLE CORN FIBER, NATURAL FLAVOR, RED 40, TURMERIC EXTRACT COLOR, BLUE 1, YELLOW 6, ANNATTO EXTRACT COLOR