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> Most monkeys manage to procreate while basically living in the woods foraging. Monkeys are built for that lifestyle, we aren't anymore. What a terrible compa

> Most monkeys manage to procreate while basically living in the woods foraging. Monkeys are built for that lifestyle, we aren't anymore. What a terrible comparison. Monkeys evolved to be good at monkey things we've evolved to be good at human things. People don't want to "go back to monke". >Since the effect seems to correlate with wealth No, that's not all it, they're also corelated with intelligence and the lack of wealth. Modern middle class people in developed western countries who aren't wealthy, are smart enough to see the wealth divide growing larger and large, good job opportunities scarcer and scarcer, and realize that unless they'll be leaving their kids a great inheritance they'll basically be breading economic cannon fodder as the future generations will have it worse when it comes to income, housing and wealth building. So if they're already suffering themselves because of this, why would they also want to bring people in this world that will suffer even more in the future? Millionaires have plenty of kinds since they can afford it and they're also increasing their odds of passing their genes further along with diversifying their wealth, and poor uneducated people are subsidized by the state, so it's the middle class who's not having any kids.

blue_pants 2y ago
> they'll basically be breading economic cannon fodder Are you suggesting that it's a new development and that, for example, peasants had it better? I'd say that even if the absolute difference in wealth is greater these days, the disparity in opportunities and quality of life has, on average, decreased (Don't ask for sources as I don't have any)
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  >Are you suggesting that it's a new development and that, for example, peasants had it better? Where did I suggest that? Peasants had loads of kids because kids were free labor vital for the farm and also helped later with old age care. They didn't have a choice to not have kids. Urban people today don't have the same lifestyle as peasants in the past.
nradov 2y ago
We aren't built for any lifestyle in particular. Humans are the most adaptable species on the planet. I don't know what you mean by "anymore" considering that human genetics haven't changed significantly for millennia. We're built exactly the same as people who had more kids.
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  >Humans are the most adaptable species on the planet. Over a span of thousands of years of evolution maybe, but a lot of modern people in the developed west today wouldn't be able to survive without their smartphones and DoorDash. > I don't know what you mean by "anymore" considering that human genetics haven't changed significantly for millennia. What does this have to do with the calculated choice of not having kids due to unaffordable housing and worsening standard of living? >We're built exactly the same as people who had more kids. Yes, and? How is human behavior today comparable with humans from 100 years ago when there was no birth control and women were basically their father's/husband's property, let alone 10000 years ago when humans used to procreate though what was basically mass rape, just like animals in the wild. How is that comparable to our modern society and with the human and female rights today?

blue_pants 2y ago

> they'll basically be breading economic cannon fodder Are you suggesting that it's a new development and that, for example, peasants had it better? I'd say that even if the absolute difference in wealth is greater these days, the disparity in opportunities and quality of life has, on average, decreased (Don't ask for sources as I don't have any)

Cumpiler69 2y ago
>Are you suggesting that it's a new development and that, for example, peasants had it better? Where did I suggest that? Peasants had loads of kids because kids were free labor vital for the farm and also helped later with old age care. They didn't have a choice to not have kids. Urban people today don't have the same lifestyle as peasants in the past.

nradov 2y ago

We aren't built for any lifestyle in particular. Humans are the most adaptable species on the planet. I don't know what you mean by "anymore" considering that human genetics haven't changed significantly for millennia. We're built exactly the same as people who had more kids.

Cumpiler69 2y ago
>Humans are the most adaptable species on the planet. Over a span of thousands of years of evolution maybe, but a lot of modern people in the developed west today wouldn't be able to survive without their smartphones and DoorDash. > I don't know what you mean by "anymore" considering that human genetics haven't changed significantly for millennia. What does this have to do with the calculated choice of not having kids due to unaffordable housing and worsening standard of living? >We're built exactly the same as people who had more kids. Yes, and? How is human behavior today comparable with humans from 100 years ago when there was no birth control and women were basically their father's/husband's property, let alone 10000 years ago when humans used to procreate though what was basically mass rape, just like animals in the wild. How is that comparable to our modern society and with the human and female rights today?