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It’s not inheritocracy, it’s family units working as intended. In America we’ve had this fantasy of rugged individualism where you could just say fuck you to m

It’s not inheritocracy, it’s family units working as intended. In America we’ve had this fantasy of rugged individualism where you could just say fuck you to mom and dad and your elders and just go off and do your own thing and prove everyone wrong and be wildly successful and owe nobody anything. That dream should now be thoroughly eradicated. It makes people way too selfish and it’s not good for society as a whole. We must see life as a team effort.

Dalewyn 2y ago
The keyword there is could. America is the land of opportunity, the Declaration of Independence calls the pursuit of happiness an unalienable right. Nowhere is happiness or success promised or guaranteed. You have an opportunity, the same (equal) opportunity as everyone else; whether you will succeed is an entirely different matter and can come down to sheer dumb luck. Freedom is power, power is responsibility, responsibility is hard. Obtaining success is hard, living in a free society and country is hard, but the fruits are unparalleled if you win.
- fnordpiglet 2y ago
  I think by in large the other side is redemption and second chances. The stereotypical American parent (which isn’t a rule by far) helps their kids launch - and is there to catch them and relaunch them when it doesn’t work out. Many parents don’t live up to this but that’s what I grew up believing the goal is. It’s a two way thing - the parents help to their means and the kids strive to their ability. Neither work out sometimes as adequate, and that’s when we take care of family.
ryandrake 2y ago
I'm not sure who's "intending" this, certainly not me. We should be working towards a society where "who your father is" isn't the strongest predictor of one's standard of living. This isn't about saying fuck you to your parents, it's about working towards a level playing field, where the winners and losers aren't pre-determined by who their families are.
- deadbabe 2y ago
  So family members should not be allowed to help each other is what you’re basically saying. Doesn’t that sound insane?
  - shinryuu 2y ago
    That's not what he's saying. He is saying that your father and my father shouldn't be supremely unequal. Ie your father being a CEO and earning 10s of millions every year and my father working a product manager role at a small company. Very often there is a huge factor of pay difference between roles like these.
    - wink 2y ago
      Let's ignore CEOs. In my parents' generation it would not be absurd to buy a small house here to raise the kids in, with a single parent working and the other caring for the kids, even if you don't have a well-paying job. A decent job will do. Compare to now, double income, no kids, both earning above average wages. Buying a house before you are 50, or at all? Forget it. Just that those people who inherited the house now basically have enough to buy 2 houses out somewhere on the countryside if they decide to move.
    - deadbabe 2y ago
      What if the CEO wants to make 10s of millions to ensure he can support his family for generations to come??
  - ericyd 2y ago
    Not sure if you're trolling but otherwise genuinely perplexed by how you could draw this conclusion from the above post.
    - deadbabe 2y ago
      I think it’s pretty clear, a system where a family can’t guarantee their offsprings success is one where the family is unable to do anything to improve their children’s fates.

Dalewyn 2y ago

The keyword there is could. America is the land of opportunity, the Declaration of Independence calls the pursuit of happiness an unalienable right. Nowhere is happiness or success promised or guaranteed. You have an opportunity, the same (equal) opportunity as everyone else; whether you will succeed is an entirely different matter and can come down to sheer dumb luck. Freedom is power, power is responsibility, responsibility is hard. Obtaining success is hard, living in a free society and country is hard, but the fruits are unparalleled if you win.

fnordpiglet 2y ago
I think by in large the other side is redemption and second chances. The stereotypical American parent (which isn’t a rule by far) helps their kids launch - and is there to catch them and relaunch them when it doesn’t work out. Many parents don’t live up to this but that’s what I grew up believing the goal is. It’s a two way thing - the parents help to their means and the kids strive to their ability. Neither work out sometimes as adequate, and that’s when we take care of family.

ryandrake 2y ago

I'm not sure who's "intending" this, certainly not me. We should be working towards a society where "who your father is" isn't the strongest predictor of one's standard of living. This isn't about saying fuck you to your parents, it's about working towards a level playing field, where the winners and losers aren't pre-determined by who their families are.

deadbabe 2y ago
So family members should not be allowed to help each other is what you’re basically saying. Doesn’t that sound insane?
- shinryuu 2y ago
  That's not what he's saying. He is saying that your father and my father shouldn't be supremely unequal. Ie your father being a CEO and earning 10s of millions every year and my father working a product manager role at a small company. Very often there is a huge factor of pay difference between roles like these.
  - wink 2y ago
    Let's ignore CEOs. In my parents' generation it would not be absurd to buy a small house here to raise the kids in, with a single parent working and the other caring for the kids, even if you don't have a well-paying job. A decent job will do. Compare to now, double income, no kids, both earning above average wages. Buying a house before you are 50, or at all? Forget it. Just that those people who inherited the house now basically have enough to buy 2 houses out somewhere on the countryside if they decide to move.
  - deadbabe 2y ago
    What if the CEO wants to make 10s of millions to ensure he can support his family for generations to come??
- ericyd 2y ago
  Not sure if you're trolling but otherwise genuinely perplexed by how you could draw this conclusion from the above post.
  - deadbabe 2y ago
    I think it’s pretty clear, a system where a family can’t guarantee their offsprings success is one where the family is unable to do anything to improve their children’s fates.