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djeastm 2y ago
On what basis do you make that claim? They might not have time to write more.
- hhh1111 2y ago
  This is a really funny response
battle-racket 2y ago
He doesn’t have an argument. He’s simply stating his opinion on something he’s never experienced. It’s a bit like someone saying “The California wildfires aren’t that bad” but they live in Sweden.
- hhh1111 2y ago
  That person would be wrong because there is objective, verifiable evidence to the contrary. There is none for the ubiquity and material impact of racism in 2025, sorry. So its more like him claiming Lyme disease or trench foot isn’t a societal problem - is he allowed to make that claim without personal experience?
  - oytis 2y ago
    > There is none for the ubiquity and material impact of racism in 2025 What do you mean? Many ways in which people of color are being disadvantaged (net worth, income, representation in positions of power etc.) are very measurable, in 2025 as much as in 1990.
    - hhh1111 2y ago
      Group outcomes certainly differ and the differences ate measurable. But the measurements don’t support your argument much.
      - oytis 2y ago
        Which argument? There are disadvantaged groups in the society (including by race), and several important aspects of them being disadvantaged are measurable. That's my whole argument here.
        hhh1111 2y ago
        Differences in group outcomes are not logically equivalent to evidence of discrimination. For example, Asians, Jews and even Nigerian immigrants out earn whites and spend less time in jail than whites do. Is this racism against whites? No. The extant data on racial outcome differences doesn’t point to evidence of meaningful systemic racism. The one data point to the contrary imo is Asians needing higher SAT scores than everyone else to get into college. I’m not Asian, this isn’t a self serving opinion.
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        dang 2y ago
        We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. You can't post like that here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are, or how wrong others are or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - dang 2y ago
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djeastm 2y ago

On what basis do you make that claim? They might not have time to write more.

hhh1111 2y ago
This is a really funny response

battle-racket 2y ago

He doesn’t have an argument. He’s simply stating his opinion on something he’s never experienced. It’s a bit like someone saying “The California wildfires aren’t that bad” but they live in Sweden.

hhh1111 2y ago
That person would be wrong because there is objective, verifiable evidence to the contrary. There is none for the ubiquity and material impact of racism in 2025, sorry. So its more like him claiming Lyme disease or trench foot isn’t a societal problem - is he allowed to make that claim without personal experience?
- oytis 2y ago
  > There is none for the ubiquity and material impact of racism in 2025 What do you mean? Many ways in which people of color are being disadvantaged (net worth, income, representation in positions of power etc.) are very measurable, in 2025 as much as in 1990.
  - hhh1111 2y ago
    Group outcomes certainly differ and the differences ate measurable. But the measurements don’t support your argument much.
    - oytis 2y ago
      Which argument? There are disadvantaged groups in the society (including by race), and several important aspects of them being disadvantaged are measurable. That's my whole argument here.
      - hhh1111 2y ago
        Differences in group outcomes are not logically equivalent to evidence of discrimination. For example, Asians, Jews and even Nigerian immigrants out earn whites and spend less time in jail than whites do. Is this racism against whites? No. The extant data on racial outcome differences doesn’t point to evidence of meaningful systemic racism. The one data point to the contrary imo is Asians needing higher SAT scores than everyone else to get into college. I’m not Asian, this isn’t a self serving opinion.

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      - dang 2y ago
        We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. You can't post like that here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are, or how wrong others are or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - dang 2y ago
      We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. You can't post like that here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are, or how wrong others are or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html