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If anything, this is a useful looking glass into the minds of people who love to complain about language policing and think "censorship" is our biggest social p

If anything, this is a useful looking glass into the minds of people who love to complain about language policing and think "censorship" is our biggest social problem.

grahamj 2y ago
I love that complaining about language policing is language policing
- layer8 2y ago
  It isn’t, though.
- xanderlewis 2y ago
  In the same way that the police upholding the law is vigilantism?
gitaarik 2y ago
Well, with the recent news that Facebook censored vaccine side effects by order of the government, I think we shouldn't underestimate censorship.
- ColdTakes 2y ago
  "News" I'm not saying this didn't happen but I wouldn't trust Mark Zuckerberg if he said the sky was blue. He is trying to curry favor with the new administration and he is not above lying or embellishing what really happened.
  - gitaarik 2y ago
    Ok, so they're making that up according to you? Wouldn't they be investigated and if it turns out to be BS they would get an enormous fine? The Biden administration can easily sue them, why wouldn't they do that? Maybe because they know it's true, and they don't want to draw more attention to it, and they don't want an investigation?
    - gitaarik 2y ago
      And there are clearly side effects [1], and it was already clear before this news that this was being censored. We just have confirmation from the CEO of Facebook now. [1]: https://dailysceptic.org/2024/12/11/revealed-the-full-hidden-pfizer-report-that-shows-heart-conditions-in-the-vaccinated-getting-worse-over-time/?highlight=pfizer%20heart https://dailysceptic.org/2024/12/11/revealed-the-full-hidden...
    - ColdTakes 2y ago
      1. The Biden admin is already suing them for a different reason. 2. The Biden admin won't be there to sue them in 7 days. 3. I'm not saying this didn't happen, I'm saying Zuckerberg is a habitual liar and I wouldn't believe him if he said his name was Mark.
      - gitaarik 2y ago
        3: Fair enough, but you also have to consider what is wise for him to say and not. You can't just make any shit up and get away with it. He might say certain things and certain other things not to aid his agenda, but I don't think he just makes this stuff up.
        ColdTakes 2y ago
        > You can't just make any shit up and get away with it. Trump and Elon Musk literally just make any shit up and get away with it.
- tantalor 2y ago
  FB was not ordered to do this. In their words: it was our decision whether or not to take content down, and we own our decisions, including COVID-19-related changes we made to our enforcement... we made some choices that, with the benefit of hindsight and new information, we wouldn't make today - Mark Zuckerberg, 26 August 2024
somekyle2 2y ago
If you're very rich, not left leaning, and have a big platform, I imagine it's very easy for censorship/woke mobs to seem like the biggest problem. Most of your needs/wants (in terms of food, shelter, safety) are met, you can mostly do what you want, but people online call you names and some of your posts might get taken down. It's one of the only problems you can feel, and it's obviously because the culture is wrong, because you feel it's empirically established that you are smart and good. It's a little like people whose exclusive concern in the realm of sexual assault is false accusations; if you can't imagine being a victim or a perpetrator, false accusation is the only part you think can affect you, so naturally your priority is minimizing that risk. Skews your perspective a bit.
jimbokun 2y ago
Censorship is and always has been a central threat to a free, pluralistic and democratic society. It is always a key tool of authoritarian governments. And always starts with people thinking certain ideas are too dangerous to express.

If anything, this is a useful looking glass into the minds of people who love to complain about language policing and think "censorship" is our biggest social problem.

grahamj 2y ago

I love that complaining about language policing is language policing

layer8 2y ago
It isn’t, though.
xanderlewis 2y ago
In the same way that the police upholding the law is vigilantism?

gitaarik 2y ago

Well, with the recent news that Facebook censored vaccine side effects by order of the government, I think we shouldn't underestimate censorship.

ColdTakes 2y ago
"News" I'm not saying this didn't happen but I wouldn't trust Mark Zuckerberg if he said the sky was blue. He is trying to curry favor with the new administration and he is not above lying or embellishing what really happened.
- gitaarik 2y ago
  Ok, so they're making that up according to you? Wouldn't they be investigated and if it turns out to be BS they would get an enormous fine? The Biden administration can easily sue them, why wouldn't they do that? Maybe because they know it's true, and they don't want to draw more attention to it, and they don't want an investigation?
  - gitaarik 2y ago
    And there are clearly side effects [1], and it was already clear before this news that this was being censored. We just have confirmation from the CEO of Facebook now. [1]: https://dailysceptic.org/2024/12/11/revealed-the-full-hidden-pfizer-report-that-shows-heart-conditions-in-the-vaccinated-getting-worse-over-time/?highlight=pfizer%20heart https://dailysceptic.org/2024/12/11/revealed-the-full-hidden...
  - ColdTakes 2y ago
    1. The Biden admin is already suing them for a different reason. 2. The Biden admin won't be there to sue them in 7 days. 3. I'm not saying this didn't happen, I'm saying Zuckerberg is a habitual liar and I wouldn't believe him if he said his name was Mark.
    - gitaarik 2y ago
      3: Fair enough, but you also have to consider what is wise for him to say and not. You can't just make any shit up and get away with it. He might say certain things and certain other things not to aid his agenda, but I don't think he just makes this stuff up.
      - ColdTakes 2y ago
        > You can't just make any shit up and get away with it. Trump and Elon Musk literally just make any shit up and get away with it.
tantalor 2y ago
FB was not ordered to do this. In their words: it was our decision whether or not to take content down, and we own our decisions, including COVID-19-related changes we made to our enforcement... we made some choices that, with the benefit of hindsight and new information, we wouldn't make today - Mark Zuckerberg, 26 August 2024

somekyle2 2y ago

If you're very rich, not left leaning, and have a big platform, I imagine it's very easy for censorship/woke mobs to seem like the biggest problem. Most of your needs/wants (in terms of food, shelter, safety) are met, you can mostly do what you want, but people online call you names and some of your posts might get taken down. It's one of the only problems you can feel, and it's obviously because the culture is wrong, because you feel it's empirically established that you are smart and good. It's a little like people whose exclusive concern in the realm of sexual assault is false accusations; if you can't imagine being a victim or a perpetrator, false accusation is the only part you think can affect you, so naturally your priority is minimizing that risk. Skews your perspective a bit.

jimbokun 2y ago

Censorship is and always has been a central threat to a free, pluralistic and democratic society. It is always a key tool of authoritarian governments. And always starts with people thinking certain ideas are too dangerous to express.