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> Yes, consumers do sometimes harm themselves by using these products. That's the price of freedom. "Freedom" is also a terrible argument for this. What does i

> Yes, consumers do sometimes harm themselves by using these products. That's the price of freedom. "Freedom" is also a terrible argument for this. What does it even mean? Freedom from what? Freedom to do what? It's such a meaningless word you're going to lose half your audience just by bringing it up.

diggan 2y ago
"Freedom - the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints" When the context is "digital devices", it becomes pretty clear what it means. You should be free to use it however you want, without externally imposed restraints. Locking down the device so much so users cannot run applications they've written themselves without the approval of the company who made it, isn't "freedom" as the required approval from the company breaks the "without externally imposed restraints" part.
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago
  > "Freedom - the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints" Yea, this is a nice thought if you don't live in society. However, it falls apart pretty rapidly once you realize "your freedom to stops at my freedom from". So it's a non-starter.
  - diggan 2y ago
    > Yea, this is a nice thought if you don't live in society Well, democracies are societies, and you have much freedom in (most of) those. Not sure where you live, but if possible, you can always try to vacation in one to experience it yourself :) > "your freedom to stops at my freedom from" I don't understand what this means, nor how it relates to having root access on your digital devices. Could you possibly explain this again? I want to understand.
    - amelius 2y ago
      Probably means something like: if you eat this donut then I cannot eat it, ergo your freedom and my freedom are at odds.

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> Yes, consumers do sometimes harm themselves by using these products. That's the price of freedom. "Freedom" is also a terrible argument for this. What does i

by PittleyDunkin 2y ago

diggan 2y ago
"Freedom - the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints" When the context is "digital devices", it becomes pretty clear what it means. You should be free to use it however you want, without externally imposed restraints. Locking down the device so much so users cannot run applications they've written themselves without the approval of the company who made it, isn't "freedom" as the required approval from the company breaks the "without externally imposed restraints" part.
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago
  > "Freedom - the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints" Yea, this is a nice thought if you don't live in society. However, it falls apart pretty rapidly once you realize "your freedom to stops at my freedom from". So it's a non-starter.
  - diggan 2y ago
    > Yea, this is a nice thought if you don't live in society Well, democracies are societies, and you have much freedom in (most of) those. Not sure where you live, but if possible, you can always try to vacation in one to experience it yourself :) > "your freedom to stops at my freedom from" I don't understand what this means, nor how it relates to having root access on your digital devices. Could you possibly explain this again? I want to understand.
    - amelius 2y ago
      Probably means something like: if you eat this donut then I cannot eat it, ergo your freedom and my freedom are at odds.