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The 18 countries with no restrictions are: UK, Canada, Australia, Japan, France, Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, New Zealan

by sct202 2y ago

The 18 countries with no restrictions are: UK, Canada, Australia, Japan, France, Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Republic of Korea, Spain, Sweden and Taiwan. https://www.wired.com/story/new-us-rule-aims-to-block-chinas-access-to-ai-chips-and-models-by-restricting-the-world/ https://www.wired.com/story/new-us-rule-aims-to-block-chinas... Singapore and Israel are notably absent.

alephnerd 2y ago
Israel probably due to NPT violations (same with India) and probably Singapore due to existing compliance issues with export controlled products being exported to China or Russia (same with UAE and India).
- devsda 2y ago
  > NPT violations (same with India) Just a small correction. India is not a signatory to NPT. There's no violation.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    That's the violation. Same reason Israel isn't included despite being a major NATO+ member. Just because you aren't a party to an agreement doesn't mean you aren't in violation of it.
    - lupire 2y ago
      They are not in compliance with the provisions. They aren't violating anything. They can't violate a promise they haven't made.
      - Workaccount2 2y ago
        While you are technically correct, they still are getting denied because they wouldn't make the promise. So the outcome is the same.
z2 2y ago
Perhaps Switzerland is too neutral as well.
netdevphoenix 2y ago
Why are you singling Singapore? It's not a particularly close ally. It's like Switzerland, neutral.
- kcb 2y ago
  They're trusted enough to purchase F-35s.
  - michaelt 2y ago
    Well, there's a bunch of different dimensions of trust. Britain will work hand-in-hand with the US with regards to fighter jets, nuclear weapons and spy agency cooperation. But America doesn't trust Britain's blood sausage and haggis, or its traditional unpasteurised cheeses. And Britain doesn't trust America's chlorinated chicken, GMOs or guns.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  Singapore is VERY close to the US. One of the US's largest naval bases is in Singapore, they are one of the very few countries allowed by the US to buy F35s (F35s are interconnected, so being given entry into the F35 program means being given entry to the entire intranet used to manage it), and plenty of US Naval officers cross-train and study with Singaporean naval officers at NUS.
  - lazide 2y ago
    They’re basically Asian Israel.
    - alephnerd 2y ago
      At a macro level they look similar, but when you dig closer it starts to fall to the wayside. A major driver for Singapore's initial growth was the fact that it is the de facto Oil Refinery hub in ASEAN - much of the oil that is extracted in Malaysia or Indonesia has had to be routed to Singapore at some point. It has the benefit of having a strong financial service sector thanks to a business law system that strives to maintain parity with that in the UK and the US, but it's a very narrow industry that most Singaporeans don't partake in. Also, Singapore has always had strong economic relations with it's neighbors Malaysia and Indonesia (even at it's worst points). Most of the business leadership in both countries are ethnic Chinese with blood relations in Singapore, which made it easier for Singapore to leverage it's position. A major downside I've noticed in SG when I've travelled there a bunch is the lack of a truly strong innovation ecosystem. Sure there are plenty of startups, but most of them are just Chinese or Indian startups that are leveraging a Singapore CoLo to simplify investment. Much of the actual R&D and even leadership capacity remains in China or India. SG is a very hierarchical country and that really limits their innovation capacity. Back in my undergrad, I knew 5 A*STAR candidates and a couple other bonded service candidates - of them maybe 50% returned to Singapore, and those that did were from households who owned a house (iykyk). The rest got offers with tech companies here in the US and broke bond. Even in the SAF, races segregate into their own units (eg. Ethnic Malays are de facto banned from airforce and high clearance positions).
philipwhiuk 2y ago
Only having part of the EU is an interesting decision.
- hsbauauvhabzb 2y ago
  The rest need to split their orders into 1,699 units per shipment.
jankeymeulen 2y ago
Take a look where (US) hyperscalers have presence, they still need to be able to expand.
yread 2y ago
Or Poland
- T-A 2y ago
  Along with every other country in Eastern Europe, plus long-time NATO members Greece and Turkey. And in the West, there's Iceland, Luxembourg and Portugal.

by sct202 2y ago

alephnerd 2y ago

Israel probably due to NPT violations (same with India) and probably Singapore due to existing compliance issues with export controlled products being exported to China or Russia (same with UAE and India).

devsda 2y ago
> NPT violations (same with India) Just a small correction. India is not a signatory to NPT. There's no violation.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  That's the violation. Same reason Israel isn't included despite being a major NATO+ member. Just because you aren't a party to an agreement doesn't mean you aren't in violation of it.
  - lupire 2y ago
    They are not in compliance with the provisions. They aren't violating anything. They can't violate a promise they haven't made.
    - Workaccount2 2y ago
      While you are technically correct, they still are getting denied because they wouldn't make the promise. So the outcome is the same.

z2 2y ago

Perhaps Switzerland is too neutral as well.

netdevphoenix 2y ago

Why are you singling Singapore? It's not a particularly close ally. It's like Switzerland, neutral.

kcb 2y ago
They're trusted enough to purchase F-35s.
- michaelt 2y ago
  Well, there's a bunch of different dimensions of trust. Britain will work hand-in-hand with the US with regards to fighter jets, nuclear weapons and spy agency cooperation. But America doesn't trust Britain's blood sausage and haggis, or its traditional unpasteurised cheeses. And Britain doesn't trust America's chlorinated chicken, GMOs or guns.
alephnerd 2y ago
Singapore is VERY close to the US. One of the US's largest naval bases is in Singapore, they are one of the very few countries allowed by the US to buy F35s (F35s are interconnected, so being given entry into the F35 program means being given entry to the entire intranet used to manage it), and plenty of US Naval officers cross-train and study with Singaporean naval officers at NUS.
- lazide 2y ago
  They’re basically Asian Israel.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    At a macro level they look similar, but when you dig closer it starts to fall to the wayside. A major driver for Singapore's initial growth was the fact that it is the de facto Oil Refinery hub in ASEAN - much of the oil that is extracted in Malaysia or Indonesia has had to be routed to Singapore at some point. It has the benefit of having a strong financial service sector thanks to a business law system that strives to maintain parity with that in the UK and the US, but it's a very narrow industry that most Singaporeans don't partake in. Also, Singapore has always had strong economic relations with it's neighbors Malaysia and Indonesia (even at it's worst points). Most of the business leadership in both countries are ethnic Chinese with blood relations in Singapore, which made it easier for Singapore to leverage it's position. A major downside I've noticed in SG when I've travelled there a bunch is the lack of a truly strong innovation ecosystem. Sure there are plenty of startups, but most of them are just Chinese or Indian startups that are leveraging a Singapore CoLo to simplify investment. Much of the actual R&D and even leadership capacity remains in China or India. SG is a very hierarchical country and that really limits their innovation capacity. Back in my undergrad, I knew 5 A*STAR candidates and a couple other bonded service candidates - of them maybe 50% returned to Singapore, and those that did were from households who owned a house (iykyk). The rest got offers with tech companies here in the US and broke bond. Even in the SAF, races segregate into their own units (eg. Ethnic Malays are de facto banned from airforce and high clearance positions).

philipwhiuk 2y ago

Only having part of the EU is an interesting decision.

hsbauauvhabzb 2y ago
The rest need to split their orders into 1,699 units per shipment.

jankeymeulen 2y ago

Take a look where (US) hyperscalers have presence, they still need to be able to expand.

yread 2y ago

Or Poland

T-A 2y ago
Along with every other country in Eastern Europe, plus long-time NATO members Greece and Turkey. And in the West, there's Iceland, Luxembourg and Portugal.