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Good. The fact that TikTok has basically two different apps. One showing pedagogical content in China, and another fine tuned for disinformation and dissent the

Good. The fact that TikTok has basically two different apps. One showing pedagogical content in China, and another fine tuned for disinformation and dissent they show in the west, tells me they are a tool from the Chinese oppressive government to undermine democratic countries. I’m glad they are about to be shut down. https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/24/23467181/difference-between-tik-tok-in-china-and-the-us/ https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/24/23467181/difference-betwe...

jmclnx 2y ago
Same here but for a totally different reason. As I mentioned before, until US Based social media is given the same access in China as TikTok has in the US, they should be banned in the US. This believe goes back to "reciprocally", that used to (still is?) a big part of diplomacy in the past.
krapp 2y ago
Every Western social media platform is fine tuned for disinformation and dissent, and when it's neo-nazis or flat-earthers or anti-vaxxers or people planning a violent larp on the White House, Americans will (at least claim to) defend it to the death, because free speech and dissent are absolute, inviolate rights granted by God. TikTok is simply giving the West what it wants, and what already works in our market. The issue you have is with the mirror TikTok is putting up to the cesspool that is American culture, not with China doing what is just good business.
- jaredhallen 2y ago
  I agree with calling out the hypocrisy of the parent comment, but this reply seems to be taking things a little far the other direction. On the Western side, it's a cesspool culture, but on the Chinese side it's good business?
  - krapp 2y ago
    On the Chinese side it's good business to appeal to the cesspool, because that's what Western platforms are also doing, and succeeding at. If they ran TikTok in the West they same way they do in China, with as many quality of life and content restrictions, it wouldn't work. One might argue that that enforcing screen time limits, maybe age requirements, and having algorithms prioritize educational (and propaganda) content would result in a better, healthier and less toxic social media environment but many Americans would consider that nanny-state censorship and mind control and such an app wouldn't be as entertaining or popular. The only reason it works in China is a degree of authoritarian control over media that isn't (currently) legal here. I don't doubt that given a more free market TikTok would be forced to regress to the same mean.
  - robocat 2y ago
    > but on the Chinese side it's good business? I don't think they said that - they are saying it is good business on the American side. The Chinese government restricts all social media in China - it isn't aimed at Western Apps. China allows social Apps where the government can censor content and the government has other means to control dissidence. We need some Venn diagrams!

jmclnx 2y ago

Same here but for a totally different reason. As I mentioned before, until US Based social media is given the same access in China as TikTok has in the US, they should be banned in the US. This believe goes back to "reciprocally", that used to (still is?) a big part of diplomacy in the past.

krapp 2y ago

Every Western social media platform is fine tuned for disinformation and dissent, and when it's neo-nazis or flat-earthers or anti-vaxxers or people planning a violent larp on the White House, Americans will (at least claim to) defend it to the death, because free speech and dissent are absolute, inviolate rights granted by God. TikTok is simply giving the West what it wants, and what already works in our market. The issue you have is with the mirror TikTok is putting up to the cesspool that is American culture, not with China doing what is just good business.

jaredhallen 2y ago
I agree with calling out the hypocrisy of the parent comment, but this reply seems to be taking things a little far the other direction. On the Western side, it's a cesspool culture, but on the Chinese side it's good business?
- krapp 2y ago
  On the Chinese side it's good business to appeal to the cesspool, because that's what Western platforms are also doing, and succeeding at. If they ran TikTok in the West they same way they do in China, with as many quality of life and content restrictions, it wouldn't work. One might argue that that enforcing screen time limits, maybe age requirements, and having algorithms prioritize educational (and propaganda) content would result in a better, healthier and less toxic social media environment but many Americans would consider that nanny-state censorship and mind control and such an app wouldn't be as entertaining or popular. The only reason it works in China is a degree of authoritarian control over media that isn't (currently) legal here. I don't doubt that given a more free market TikTok would be forced to regress to the same mean.
- robocat 2y ago
  > but on the Chinese side it's good business? I don't think they said that - they are saying it is good business on the American side. The Chinese government restricts all social media in China - it isn't aimed at Western Apps. China allows social Apps where the government can censor content and the government has other means to control dissidence. We need some Venn diagrams!