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So, more "black and brown" people (your words not mine), and less, what, White and Yellow and Red people and Purple people? = success? That sounds a bit racist
by o0-0o 2y ago
So, more "black and brown" people (your words not mine), and less, what, White and Yellow and Red people and Purple people? = success? That sounds a bit racist to me, just saying.
- Drew_ 2y agoAchieving representation closer to that of the wider population is not racist.
- kridsdale1 2y agoWhich population? FB hires from everywhere in the world and sponsors visas. Having an employee base that’s 30% Chinese and 30% indian should thus be the goal.
- Dylan16807 2y agoTo start with, you can sort the employee records into a visa pile and a not-visa pile.
- Dalewyn 2y agoYou are explicitly considering a man's race, that is racism.
- Dylan16807 2y agoAre you serious? Measuring something is not discrimination.
- cindycindy 2y ago[dead]
- Dalewyn 2y agoYou are explicitly considering a man's race for something that is irrelevant to that consideration, in this case to answer whether to hire/admit them. You must consider a man's race if this concerns something relevant to that consideration such as their medical history. This is not one of them; there are actually very few instances where asking a man's race is necessary.
- Dylan16807 2y agoThe person above was just saying that having a closer balance of hires to the greater population was a good thing. They didn't talk about how companies got there. We shouldn't just assume they got there by using race while deciding whether to hire or not. Maybe they did something else, or maybe they found some existing racism in hiring decisions and removed it.
- Dalewyn 2y agoThe only way to change employee racial composition is to hire and terminate on a racial basis. The only way to force that composition to mirror social composition is to do so explicitly and strictly on racial basis. A lot of factors go into proper hiring and terminations, most significantly the merits of the individual concerned. Such factors will lead to an employee racial composition that might not mirror that of social composition. Certain hiring practices like favoring women for flight attendants and black men for basketball teams should be terminated with extreme prejudice, but to force employee racial composition and specifically that one way or any other is racism.
- Dylan16807 2y ago> The only way to change employee racial composition is to hire and terminate on a racial basis. I put an example of another way in my last post. If you're creative, you can think of more. Another one is seeking out people and inviting them to apply, at which point they enter the normal unbiased hiring process.
- KPGv2 2y ago
- undersuit 2y ago[flagged]
- Dalewyn 2y agoMan as in mankind. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/man https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/man >1a(1): an individual human >b: the human race : HUMANKIND >c: a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens) that is anatomically related to the great apes but distinguished especially by notable development of the brain with a resultant capacity for articulate (see ARTICULATE entry 1 sense 1a) speech and abstract reasoning, and is the sole living representative of the hominid family
- undersuit 2y agoWe're obviously not putting the master branch in charge of exploiting a bunch of slave branches. And "a man" doesn't refer to mankind/humankind.
- ponow 2y agoIf you have to force something, it is. And it's being forced. If we made more white play in the NBA it might seem clearer.
- catlover76 2y ago[dead]
- kridsdale1 2y agoApparently Indians don’t count as Brown.
- aprilthird2021 2y agoIn DEI parlance, black and brown refers to African-Americans and Latinos, although, curiously they also do accept African H1B visa holders in this group, despite them typically having high education, wealth from home, etc.
- KPGv2 2y ago> curiously they Who is the "they" here. Whenever I see a pronoun (especially "they" it's always "they") with no referent, I ask this question.
- defrost 2y agoIn standard English "they" clearly refers to those that use DEI parlance.
- KPGv2 2y agoWhen I have read writings on DEI, they usually talk about "African-Americans," a term historically used to refer to the descendants of slavery. Which writings by DEI professionals and experts have you read that say African H1B visa holders should be included in DEI initiatives?
- aprilthird2021 2y agoBut they are included. Because the companies talk about demographics and include "black" as one of those. A group which mixes African-Americans and African immigrants together
- defrost 2y ago> Which writings by DEI professionals and experts have you read ... None. I'm a third party HN commentator that dropped in to address the incorrect assertion that the sentence in question contained a "they" with no referent. I have six decades of reading, writing, and speaking Commonwealth English and four or so with American English and felt the user who asked could use the grammar assist.