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the last known direct child of an american born into slavery died only a few years ago https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2022/10/20/slavery-link-daniel

by ruined 2y ago

the last known direct child of an american born into slavery died only a few years ago https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2022/10/20/slavery-link-daniel-smith-dead/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2022/10/20/slavery...

dkga 2y ago
Into institutionalised slavery. Sadly slavery still exists, is live and well, and occurs throughout the planet (even rich countries). The difference is that it is not statutory now in most places.
- wahnfrieden 2y ago
  Slavery is at an all-time high going back thousands of years 2 million institutionalized slaves (per 13th amendment) in the US today, around the same as 1830 USA 50 million worldwide as of a few years ago
  - gizmo686 2y ago
    The 13th amendment allows for slavery as a punishment for crimes. It does not require that everyone in prison be a slave.
    - wahnfrieden 2y ago
      Ok?
      - PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
        Are you actually claiming that everyone in a US prison is a slave?
        BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
        The constitution allows that they be used for slave labor, and many are.
        PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
        But are they slaves by virtue of being in prison?
        ponow 2y ago
        Don't commit the crime if you can't handle it. It's a punishment.
        lesuorac 2y ago
        I think you mean, don't be poor. It's not like people in prison are actually all guilty of their convicted crime. You'll see this double-standard a lot for minor offenses as well. How many times has MKHB been caught excessively speeding (including 90? in a school zone) and still have a license.
        BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
        We forbid cruel and unusual punishment. If we lived by the morality you just articulated, we wouldn’t do so. I think slavery is cruel and unusual, I think that’s clear.
        BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
        You’re saying that only those forced to do labor would be slaves? Slaves aren’t made free by a lack of tasks. What’s your point?
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - khimaros 2y ago
    could you say more about this or provide resources for learning more?
    - wahnfrieden 2y ago
      https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studies/united-states/ https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studie...
JohnMakin 2y ago
You only need to go back 3 generations in my family to find someone born a slave. And I am not even middle aged. People don’t understand that hundreds of years of enslavement and all the ensuing trauma doesn’t just go away after a few generations, it carries over in really strange and insidious ways.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  > hundreds of years of enslavement and all the ensuing trauma doesn’t just go away after a few generations This sounds unreasonable. If Europe can forget about Germany messing with everyone some 80 years ago, then so can the US forget about slavery. If there’s continuing trauma, it isn’t caused by what happened 100 years ago, it’s because it is still being perpetuated somehow. That might be what you are trying to say, but I had to read it a few times to see it.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
    > If Europe can forget about Germany messing with everyone some 80 years ago, Europe has not forgotten about that, other than in terms of formal politics. Hell, England has not even forgotten about the Norman conquest of 1066. It does help somewhat that Germany has made really serious efforts to repudiate its own behavior, the culture that enabled it, and efforts to revive it. Much harder to say that about the equivalents for US slavery.
    - davidgay 2y ago
      > Hell, England has not even forgotten about the Norman conquest of 1066. I feel that's overstating it a bit. But my mother (English) was definitely brought up in a context that had not forgotten about Napoleon - Napoleon was viewed/presented as comparable to Hitler.
      - scott_w 2y ago
        Not really: the descendants of the Norman conquest remain some of the wealthiest landowners in England. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/high-house-prices-inequality-normans https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/high-h...
thatcat 2y ago
plenty of forms of slavery still exist, perhaps we should focus on that
sethammons 2y ago
The grandson of the 10th US president is alive and well. That president was alive when George Washington was. This is a young country.

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dkga 2y ago

Into institutionalised slavery. Sadly slavery still exists, is live and well, and occurs throughout the planet (even rich countries). The difference is that it is not statutory now in most places.

wahnfrieden 2y ago
Slavery is at an all-time high going back thousands of years 2 million institutionalized slaves (per 13th amendment) in the US today, around the same as 1830 USA 50 million worldwide as of a few years ago
- gizmo686 2y ago
  The 13th amendment allows for slavery as a punishment for crimes. It does not require that everyone in prison be a slave.
  - wahnfrieden 2y ago
    Ok?
    - PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
      Are you actually claiming that everyone in a US prison is a slave?
      - BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
        The constitution allows that they be used for slave labor, and many are.
        PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
        But are they slaves by virtue of being in prison?
        ponow 2y ago
        Don't commit the crime if you can't handle it. It's a punishment.
        lesuorac 2y ago
        I think you mean, don't be poor. It's not like people in prison are actually all guilty of their convicted crime. You'll see this double-standard a lot for minor offenses as well. How many times has MKHB been caught excessively speeding (including 90? in a school zone) and still have a license.
        BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
        We forbid cruel and unusual punishment. If we lived by the morality you just articulated, we wouldn’t do so. I think slavery is cruel and unusual, I think that’s clear.
        BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
        You’re saying that only those forced to do labor would be slaves? Slaves aren’t made free by a lack of tasks. What’s your point?
- deleted 2y ago
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- khimaros 2y ago
  could you say more about this or provide resources for learning more?
  - wahnfrieden 2y ago
    https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studies/united-states/ https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studie...

JohnMakin 2y ago

You only need to go back 3 generations in my family to find someone born a slave. And I am not even middle aged. People don’t understand that hundreds of years of enslavement and all the ensuing trauma doesn’t just go away after a few generations, it carries over in really strange and insidious ways.

Aeolun 2y ago
> hundreds of years of enslavement and all the ensuing trauma doesn’t just go away after a few generations This sounds unreasonable. If Europe can forget about Germany messing with everyone some 80 years ago, then so can the US forget about slavery. If there’s continuing trauma, it isn’t caused by what happened 100 years ago, it’s because it is still being perpetuated somehow. That might be what you are trying to say, but I had to read it a few times to see it.
- PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
  > If Europe can forget about Germany messing with everyone some 80 years ago, Europe has not forgotten about that, other than in terms of formal politics. Hell, England has not even forgotten about the Norman conquest of 1066. It does help somewhat that Germany has made really serious efforts to repudiate its own behavior, the culture that enabled it, and efforts to revive it. Much harder to say that about the equivalents for US slavery.
  - davidgay 2y ago
    > Hell, England has not even forgotten about the Norman conquest of 1066. I feel that's overstating it a bit. But my mother (English) was definitely brought up in a context that had not forgotten about Napoleon - Napoleon was viewed/presented as comparable to Hitler.
    - scott_w 2y ago
      Not really: the descendants of the Norman conquest remain some of the wealthiest landowners in England. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/high-house-prices-inequality-normans https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/high-h...

thatcat 2y ago

plenty of forms of slavery still exist, perhaps we should focus on that

sethammons 2y ago

The grandson of the 10th US president is alive and well. That president was alive when George Washington was. This is a young country.