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I used Kagi for a year. It was a great experience, no ads, decent search results. I quit recently, when I discovered that they integrate with Yandex. I think it

I used Kagi for a year. It was a great experience, no ads, decent search results. I quit recently, when I discovered that they integrate with Yandex. I think it is unacceptable in the todays reality. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349797 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349797 https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integration-due-to-the-geopolitical-status-quo https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...

tessierashpool9 2y ago
why? yandex is not just a great search engine but also a very promising company - at least was before it was brought to the dogs by US/EU.
- puszczyk 2y ago
  Because some of their taxes will fund human safari in Kherson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_safari_(terror_campaign) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_safari_(terror_campaig...
  - tessierashpool9 2y ago
    that's a pretty indirect contribution. if we start to boycott companies because of what is done with the taxes they pay then there won't be many companies left to use or do business with.
    - vindex10 2y ago
      The country has literally started the war and keeps killing people. Is it not enough to boycott any relationship with it, especially those from which it benefits financially?
      - tessierashpool9 2y ago
        as far as my observations go it's a little more complicated than russia started the war and apart from that life is not just about politics but also about mundane practicalities.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        Only psychopath children: “I’m not bullying him, I’m just saying if he does anything I don’t want him to do I will bully him.” Allegedly astute observers of European history: “Russia isn’t an aggressor, it just will aggress if its independent neighbors do anything Russia doesn’t like.” Yeah bro that’s still called “starting a war.”
        tessierashpool9 2y ago
        sure, but that is sadly how world politics works. if the US expands nato right to the border of russia then they retaliate. ukraine fought a war against their own citizens in the eastern half when they sympathized with opening up to russia - a majority there perceives themselves as russians. this is not just whataboutism - if you don't fight for resources then you'll have to buy them for a very high price. and ukraine is very rich in resources. as is greenland.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        Don’t give yourself credit for understanding the “much more complicated” picture of the invasion than what other people are identifying. You’re right here saying that it’s a resource grab. That’s what everyone else identifies it as too. You don’t have a more “complicated” picture or a more complete one, just one that’s devoid of a moral imperative.
        tessierashpool9 2y ago
        i'm not giving me credit for anything. just saying how it is. so, what's your point?
puszczyk 2y ago
What do you use now? I mix Perplexity and Google depending on the query, I wondered how that compares to Kagi. Yandex is a no-no for me as well
- vindex10 2y ago
  I explored the landscape and didn't find good alternative yet. I basically fell back to Google. One interesting initiative I discovered is that Qwant and Ecosia are teaming up to develop a new independent European search index: https://betterweb.qwant.com/en/2024/11/08/ecosia-and-qwant-join-forces-to-develop-european-search-index/ https://betterweb.qwant.com/en/2024/11/08/ecosia-and-qwant-j... Very much look forward to see this :)
- rcmjr 2y ago
  Perplexity serving ads now made me cancel them
  - benhurmarcel 2y ago
    Do they still serve ads when you subscribe?
    - tiltowait 2y ago
      They do not. Also, the ads are sponsored follow-ups. Maybe someday they will be more blatant, but for now at least, they are easily ignored. I almost never use the canned follow-ups.
fishbacon 2y ago
Kagi seems to genuinly have a good mission when it comes to the internet. I want small web search. I want good results. I will pay for search! I do not want to support Russia.
- freehorse 2y ago
  And I do not want my search experience and product I pay for be dictated by US foreign policy and relations in a given time. Why should a search engine company get involved in international relationship affairs?
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    “Wars of aggression are bad” is more of a moral/ethical position than a US foreign policy position.
    - freehorse 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        I’m not making some political argument here, I’m saying “boycott Russia due to its war of aggression against a neighbor” isn’t buying into “US foreign policy.” There are direct moral and ethical implications totally aside from any policy ones. Make whatever moral calculus you want, just don’t play the goofball contrarian stuff and act like that’s derived from some high and mighty “I am independent from US foreign policy” lol
        freehorse 2y ago
        [flagged]
        llamaimperative 2y ago

tessierashpool9 2y ago

why? yandex is not just a great search engine but also a very promising company - at least was before it was brought to the dogs by US/EU.

puszczyk 2y ago
Because some of their taxes will fund human safari in Kherson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_safari_(terror_campaign) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_safari_(terror_campaig...
- tessierashpool9 2y ago
  that's a pretty indirect contribution. if we start to boycott companies because of what is done with the taxes they pay then there won't be many companies left to use or do business with.
  - vindex10 2y ago
    The country has literally started the war and keeps killing people. Is it not enough to boycott any relationship with it, especially those from which it benefits financially?
    - tessierashpool9 2y ago
      as far as my observations go it's a little more complicated than russia started the war and apart from that life is not just about politics but also about mundane practicalities.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        Only psychopath children: “I’m not bullying him, I’m just saying if he does anything I don’t want him to do I will bully him.” Allegedly astute observers of European history: “Russia isn’t an aggressor, it just will aggress if its independent neighbors do anything Russia doesn’t like.” Yeah bro that’s still called “starting a war.”
        tessierashpool9 2y ago
        sure, but that is sadly how world politics works. if the US expands nato right to the border of russia then they retaliate. ukraine fought a war against their own citizens in the eastern half when they sympathized with opening up to russia - a majority there perceives themselves as russians. this is not just whataboutism - if you don't fight for resources then you'll have to buy them for a very high price. and ukraine is very rich in resources. as is greenland.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        Don’t give yourself credit for understanding the “much more complicated” picture of the invasion than what other people are identifying. You’re right here saying that it’s a resource grab. That’s what everyone else identifies it as too. You don’t have a more “complicated” picture or a more complete one, just one that’s devoid of a moral imperative.
        tessierashpool9 2y ago
        i'm not giving me credit for anything. just saying how it is. so, what's your point?

puszczyk 2y ago

What do you use now? I mix Perplexity and Google depending on the query, I wondered how that compares to Kagi. Yandex is a no-no for me as well

vindex10 2y ago
I explored the landscape and didn't find good alternative yet. I basically fell back to Google. One interesting initiative I discovered is that Qwant and Ecosia are teaming up to develop a new independent European search index: https://betterweb.qwant.com/en/2024/11/08/ecosia-and-qwant-join-forces-to-develop-european-search-index/ https://betterweb.qwant.com/en/2024/11/08/ecosia-and-qwant-j... Very much look forward to see this :)
rcmjr 2y ago
Perplexity serving ads now made me cancel them
- benhurmarcel 2y ago
  Do they still serve ads when you subscribe?
  - tiltowait 2y ago
    They do not. Also, the ads are sponsored follow-ups. Maybe someday they will be more blatant, but for now at least, they are easily ignored. I almost never use the canned follow-ups.

fishbacon 2y ago

Kagi seems to genuinly have a good mission when it comes to the internet. I want small web search. I want good results. I will pay for search! I do not want to support Russia.

freehorse 2y ago
And I do not want my search experience and product I pay for be dictated by US foreign policy and relations in a given time. Why should a search engine company get involved in international relationship affairs?
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  “Wars of aggression are bad” is more of a moral/ethical position than a US foreign policy position.
  - freehorse 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      I’m not making some political argument here, I’m saying “boycott Russia due to its war of aggression against a neighbor” isn’t buying into “US foreign policy.” There are direct moral and ethical implications totally aside from any policy ones. Make whatever moral calculus you want, just don’t play the goofball contrarian stuff and act like that’s derived from some high and mighty “I am independent from US foreign policy” lol
      - freehorse 2y ago
        [flagged]
        llamaimperative 2y ago